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On the Origin of Wiki
« on: March 14, 2010, 03:39:18 pm »
So I was on my computer when I decided that should check up on the Wiki. So I did and I was thrilled with what I found. The Wiki looks great. More articles have popped up and the quality of the older ones have improved in many cases. That was the reason that we switched to a wiki and it looked like it was working great. Then I went to the homepage and realized that we have not yet replaced the main site with the wiki yet. Why we haven't done so is beyond me. So instead of mindlessly insisting that we should replace the main site with the wiki, allow me to justify my thinking.

1) The wiki is looking better then the main site at this point
     The wiki now has almost everything that the main site has and so much more. The wiki has many more articles and many of the smaller articles on the main site are better written and fuller on the wiki. I see no reason to hold that information back. The only things not on the wiki yet, as far as I can see, are the ItemDex and AttackDex. (oh, and the Interactive Tools) Now, both the Item and AttackDex were great when they were first made but now the ones on the main site are horribly outdated. So they should not be the reason to hold back upgrading.

2) The wiki's still in beta? So what, that never stopped Google.
     I know the wiki is still in beta but I see no information on what we need to accomplish to take the wiki out of beta. Also, if the wiki is still in beta, whats that make the main site? The main site was never "finished" or anything like that. I don't even know if the main site was ever out of beta. Also, so what if its a beta? As I said, that didn't stop Google. Several Google products are in beta and have been for years. All it means, for them anyway, is that the product works but if something goes wrong, oops. So even if were still in beta, we've got a product that is very presentable.

3) Stalling could lead to the demise of the site
     This one sounds kinda crazy but here me out. As of now we are putting all of our resources into the wiki. Updates upon the main site have ceased. The main site is what people see when they first encounter Glitch City. (in most cases anyway) They encounter it on Google or something and they look on the main site. With no new glitches and the old errors still there, less people will look at the site. The idea behind Casper is to draw more people into the site because there is more there for them to read. But if we only implement Casper on the wiki and no one sees it, I dare say it will have all been for not. Now I know that "the demise of the site" is a push, but it can't be healthy, so why do it? 


So that's rational for replacing the main site with the wiki in the near future. Oh, and by near future, I mean by the end of the month. All we need to do is have glitchcity.info redirect to glitchcity.info/wiki. Now that can't be to complicated to do.

So discuss but I would urge that action should be taken soon.   
 
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Re: On the Origin of Wiki
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 03:52:50 pm »
The main thing is the dexes. The other articles are on par with, or exceed, the articles on "GCL 1.0". I don't want to redirect before we get the dexes done.

Regarding item/attackdexes, the data's on the wiki already, but it's raw Melchior data. I need to write the logic for displaying that "neatly". The Glitchdex is also up for minor revamping

You're correct, wikis by nature are never finished. But there's still major maintenance to do before we make it the main site.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2010, 04:08:51 pm »
I agree with Abwayax, until the AttackDex and the ItemDex are as complete as the GlitchDex I don't think it would be that wise to redirect the main site to the wiki yet. Articles for different variations of Missingno. aren't in the wiki as of yet either, I have made a general disambiguation page for Missingno, as well as a new disambiguation template with a table indexing all of the variations of Missingno but we don't have GlitchDex articles for common forms of Missingno such as the one found on Cinnibar strait yet.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2010, 04:13:54 pm »

You're correct, wikis by nature are never finished. But there's still major maintenance to do before we make it the main site.
Can you direct me to this major maintenance that needs to be done? Cause I don't see it. If you can I love if you could show me so that I, and a bunch of other people I'm sure, can get on fixing that.

Also, I'd go out on a limb and say that the Attack and Itemdex on the main site are not finished either. There both at 1.0, if that. There is no Itemdex for yellow although there is Melchior data for it. Also the Itemdex that is up there is nothing more then raw Melchior data. The Attack is better. It has more then just raw data but there are no images and its full of broken links. Also, there's no Yellow data for the Attackdex at all. (Unless its hidden on someones hard drive, cause I've never seen it. From what I remember, the Red/Blue Attackdex was all that was done) I tried to get the data for the yellow Attackdex but I could not figure out how to get some of the data that provided in the Red/Blue Melchior.

So I'm trying to say that holding back the wiki because of the Dex's is not a good idea. I think it would be better to put up the wiki and just not have an Attack or ItemDex until there ready. And anyways, my guess would be that most people on the site are not looking for the AttackDex or the ItemDex but the Mew Trick or Ditto Trick or something more common.

So I get where your coming from. You don't want to release an unfinished product. Now I'm just going to say it now, you've done a hell of a lot of work on these projects and kudos to you. But holding back a vast well of information because the more obscure projects, even if they take the most work and time, are not finished just isn't something I want to see happen. But once again, I know you've put lodes of time into this and I don't want it to look like I'm disregarding that. So thanks again but I just need to respectively disagree with you.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2010, 07:02:06 pm »
I respect your disagreement.


You're correct, wikis by nature are never finished. But there's still major maintenance to do before we make it the main site.
Can you direct me to this major maintenance that needs to be done? Cause I don't see it. If you can I love if you could show me so that I, and a bunch of other people I'm sure, can get on fixing that.
Unfortunately, it's backend programming stuff that can't be done by anyone but me. Compare the following:
http://glitchcity.info/wiki/index.php/GlitchDex/RB:255
http://glitchcity.info/wiki/index.php/AttackDex/RB:254

Yet if you click edit on the GlitchDex page, you'll see it's also Melchior format. This processing is done server-side, and the original data is stored as melchior format. This is done both so that it is easy to edit the entries and so that the automatic index can be built, filtering can be done, sorting, etc.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 08:12:42 pm »
I respect your disagreement.


You're correct, wikis by nature are never finished. But there's still major maintenance to do before we make it the main site.
Can you direct me to this major maintenance that needs to be done? Cause I don't see it. If you can I love if you could show me so that I, and a bunch of other people I'm sure, can get on fixing that.
Unfortunately, it's backend programming stuff that can't be done by anyone but me. Compare the following:
http://glitchcity.info/wiki/index.php/GlitchDex/RB:255
http://glitchcity.info/wiki/index.php/AttackDex/RB:254

Yet if you click edit on the GlitchDex page, you'll see it's also Melchior format. This processing is done server-side, and the original data is stored as melchior format. This is done both so that it is easy to edit the entries and so that the automatic index can be built, filtering can be done, sorting, etc.
Still, its no reason to hold it back. Besides, considering you have a system in place, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be THAT hard to modify it.

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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2010, 06:17:19 pm »
I respect your disagreement.


You're correct, wikis by nature are never finished. But there's still major maintenance to do before we make it the main site.
Can you direct me to this major maintenance that needs to be done? Cause I don't see it. If you can I love if you could show me so that I, and a bunch of other people I'm sure, can get on fixing that.
Unfortunately, it's backend programming stuff that can't be done by anyone but me. Compare the following:
http://glitchcity.info/wiki/index.php/GlitchDex/RB:255
http://glitchcity.info/wiki/index.php/AttackDex/RB:254

Yet if you click edit on the GlitchDex page, you'll see it's also Melchior format. This processing is done server-side, and the original data is stored as melchior format. This is done both so that it is easy to edit the entries and so that the automatic index can be built, filtering can be done, sorting, etc.
Well that makes sense. I didn't know that was how the Dex's worked and that's pretty cool. So now I must ask, how much work is left to be done? Are the Dex's being finished up?, Halfway through?, just started? I'd just like an idea to calm my curiosity. Also one more point. I know that at one time or another there was talk about adding video onto the AttackDex and ItemDex. Well I already have videos for all of the Red/Blue Glitch attacks uploaded to Youtube. So there easy to use. Just thought I'd remind everyone.

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 10:06:11 pm »
I say we make the glitchdex and the other dexes external apps as an alternative or do both for that matter. Don't know why but it seems convenient. Writing a good dex in programming language would be a b***h though.

I guess I brought this up because if we do this then we could possibly be able to use the glitchdex offline as well as online and I've always wanted a gltichdex I didn't have to go onto the internet to look at.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2010, 08:54:15 am »
I have the wiki bookmarked as "The brand new bigger and better Glitch City website" The old site looks dated to me  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2010, 09:32:06 am »
I have the wiki bookmarked as "The brand new bigger and better Glitch City website" The old site looks dated to me  ;)

It did indeed, nice bookmark name :P.
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