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Title: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: blitzer on July 05, 2007, 06:45:31 pm
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EDIT:Oops,wrong place,can somebody move this?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Abwayax on July 05, 2007, 07:01:34 pm
Most people think Bad Egg was put in by Game Freak to "discourage" people from cheating. I think that's incorrect; my view on Bad Egg is that it is generated by improperly creating a Pokemon via cheating, thereby producing corrupt data which is interpreted as being a "bad" (corrupt) egg.

That's my $0.02 on the matter ;)
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: blitzer on July 05, 2007, 07:34:04 pm
Intentional Evidence:
1.)Bad Egg is both in the 3rd gen and 4th gen.
2.)It doesn't have a question mark or a glitchy name.

Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: I own the internet on July 05, 2007, 08:09:38 pm
Possibly. It is also possible that Nintendo was going to make so the egg could be used in battle, but would have no attacks or something, but decided not to, and something went wrong when they erased its ability to go to battle.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Prisma on July 05, 2007, 10:35:07 pm
Well for one reason, why the hell would they make an egg a "Pok?mon", I say intentional.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Wack0 on July 06, 2007, 04:23:47 am
I think Bad Egg is a beta egg and the status message is actually an error message to say that it won't hatch. It was used during programming so the programmers at Nintendo and Gamefreak would know when the breeding process went wrong.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Newo on July 06, 2007, 12:21:22 pm
I think Bad Egg is a beta egg and the status message is actually an error message to say that it won't hatch. It was used during programming so the programmers at Nintendo and Gamefreak would know when the breeding process went wrong.
I was going to say that.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: blitzer on July 06, 2007, 03:37:50 pm
I think Bad Egg is a beta egg and the status message is actually an error message to say that it won't hatch. It was used during programming so the programmers at Nintendo and Gamefreak would know when the breeding process went wrong.
Nice...
Now,is Bad Egg intentional in discouraging sharking?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Newo on July 07, 2007, 04:56:51 pm
No. Bad EGG usually appears where sharking has gone wrong. I have done loads of successful cheats, no Bad EGG. To get a Bad EGG I usually have to purposely ruin the code.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: rjaguar3 on July 07, 2007, 07:39:31 pm
I think Bad EGG is caused when the last byte of the data doesn't match a checksum.  Thus, by this evidence, it is probable that Bad EGG is designed to thwart some cheating.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Don Watermeleon on July 07, 2007, 08:34:59 pm
This is my theory, but I've actually seen in backed up by some evidence in the past. Nonetheless, let me explain my beliefs here.

Since Bad Egg is commonly found from using cheating devices such as GameShark, I believe there is a high likeliness that the developers added it in to condemn such behavior. Knowing there is a glitch that could harm your game from using a cheating device could persuade you not to do so.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Evie the Mother Hen ☽ ❤ on July 12, 2007, 02:56:00 pm
A bad egg can appear if a pokemon's EV total is over 510.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: blitzer on July 12, 2007, 05:51:36 pm
A bad egg can appear if a pokemon's EV total is over 510.
How is that possible besides cheating devices?31+31+31+31+31+31=186
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Evie the Mother Hen ☽ ❤ on July 14, 2007, 05:18:42 am
I don't think it is, maybe people were trying to cheat for so called 'ultimate pokemon' by changing their EVs?  :D
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: simulater10 on July 15, 2007, 12:29:30 am
Yes.

--simulater
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Zowayix on July 16, 2007, 09:15:41 am
A bad egg can appear if a pokemon's EV total is over 510.
How is that possible besides cheating devices?31+31+31+31+31+31=186
EVs are what gets increased by battling and with Protein/Iron/whatever. You're thinking of IVs.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: blitzer on July 16, 2007, 02:48:08 pm
A bad egg can appear if a pokemon's EV total is over 510.
How is that possible besides cheating devices?31+31+31+31+31+31=186
EVs are what gets increased by battling and with Protein/Iron/whatever. You're thinking of IVs.
But still,how is an EV over 510 possible?It's the maximum.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Missing? NO! on July 16, 2007, 02:50:13 pm
A bad egg can appear if a pokemon's EV total is over 510.
How is that possible besides cheating devices?31+31+31+31+31+31=186
EVs are what gets increased by battling and with Protein/Iron/whatever. You're thinking of IVs.
But still,how is an EV over 510 possible?It's the maximum.
You must use cheating devices. Although, the maximum may be 512 in diamond and pearl. Wait, it is!!!
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Prisma on July 16, 2007, 06:33:25 pm
A bad egg can appear if a pokemon's EV total is over 510.
How is that possible besides cheating devices?31+31+31+31+31+31=186
EVs are what gets increased by battling and with Protein/Iron/whatever. You're thinking of IVs.
But still,how is an EV over 510 possible?It's the maximum.
You must use cheating devices. Although, the maximum may be 512 in diamond and pearl. Wait, it is!!!

I got a maximum of 999 Ev's, and do not ask me how I did that, I do not know, and I do not care what so ever how I did that.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Zowayix on July 16, 2007, 09:36:01 pm
A bad egg can appear if a pokemon's EV total is over 510.
How is that possible besides cheating devices?31+31+31+31+31+31=186
EVs are what gets increased by battling and with Protein/Iron/whatever. You're thinking of IVs.
But still,how is an EV over 510 possible?It's the maximum.
All EVs have a maximum value of 255 or whatnot, so you just set all EVs to 255.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sasara on August 03, 2007, 03:28:26 pm
Most likely it's an error message made by the programmers so they know when the total EV is too high, if you can really get a Bad Egg by raising the total EV.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Glitch-Lord on August 13, 2007, 03:00:27 pm
hmm... You can use Fast Egg Hatch, but, what exactly is inside a Bad Egg? Is it just something that triggers a Corrupter and Stops the egg?

What about that Named Egg named "Shiny Hack", or Sh n  H ck"??
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Prisma on August 13, 2007, 03:36:37 pm
Ugh it hatchets into another egg..... k?
Title: Subject
Post by: Sherkel on August 29, 2007, 08:52:54 am
I think it was a beta thing. Maybe they were gonna have something where if you leave an egg in the PC too long (which is rumored to actually get you bad eggs, dunno if its true) then it will be a bad egg, which will tKake and extremely long time to hatch, or not hatch at all.

that's my thoughts;)
Title: Re: Subject
Post by: Newo on August 30, 2007, 04:02:58 am
I think it was a beta thing. Maybe they were gonna have something where if you leave an egg in the PC too long (which is rumored to actually get you bad eggs, dunno if its true) then it will be a bad egg, which will tKake and extremely long time to hatch, or not hatch at all.

that's my thoughts;)
With possible game corruption on the side?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Piplybird Lover on August 30, 2007, 07:53:30 am
I think that Bad Egg was intentional because GF wants to help stop cheating :P
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on August 31, 2007, 06:58:40 am
I think that Bad Egg was intentional because GF wants to help stop cheating :P
While that is possible and probably true as well, it still probably was a beta thing too.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: MissingNO. #1 Master on September 01, 2007, 12:48:36 am
It may have very been beta in Ru/Sa/Em, but it was clearly intentional in D/P, since it has it's own slot.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Newo on September 01, 2007, 05:43:21 am
Or maybe it isn't a beta, maybe it is an error trap.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 01, 2007, 11:29:09 am
Or maybe it isn't a beta, maybe it is an error trap.
error trap? what?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Newo on September 01, 2007, 01:13:50 pm
Or maybe it isn't a beta, maybe it is an error trap.
error trap? what?
The consequences of letting an incomplete code loose is probably higher than the risks of a BadEGG, even though they are slightly incomplete.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Abwayax on September 01, 2007, 09:44:10 pm
It may have very been beta in Ru/Sa/Em, but it was clearly intentional in D/P, since it has it's own slot.

It has its own slot in 3rd Gen too. I stand by my theory that it is an error message that designates corrupt Pokemon data of some sort; Pokemon that are improperly generated via cheating. This may in fact be a way of catching cheaters, but it only catches those who aren't careful enough to make sure they generate the Pokemon properly. It also does not catch cheaters who use encounter codes.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 12, 2007, 02:08:11 pm
For me they just appeared randomly while using codes from a real generator...You know, versions (not games, VERSIONS, like for instance FireRed v2) of games might be a good topic.
PS. In other words, m the Ruby I had at that time was most probably a different "version".
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Missing? NO! on September 12, 2007, 08:43:49 pm
I think that Bad Egg was intentional because GF wants to help stop cheating :P
Idiot people. Cheating makes a game more fun!
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 13, 2007, 04:24:03 am
It is still not encouraged, as it can mess up your game, however.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sorreah on September 16, 2007, 04:40:24 pm
AKA cheat once you've gotten bored with the game and don't care if it gets completely screwed  8)
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Missing? NO! on September 17, 2007, 07:56:14 am
Exactly.

Please don't post one-word posts.

~Papa Doc
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 17, 2007, 02:58:02 pm
AKA cheat once you've gotten bored with the game and don't care if it gets completely screwed  8)
You mean...on an experimental game that you never really did aything on in the first place.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sorreah on September 17, 2007, 06:32:08 pm
That, or transfer all your good stuff to a safe version and then take your older game to hell.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 18, 2007, 02:40:00 pm
Back on topic, is it possible to be hatched? Is it set to 65536(FFFF) or infinity steps?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Newo on September 18, 2007, 02:42:44 pm
Any random from 0 to 4294967295 (random guess) I think.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 18, 2007, 02:46:01 pm
But 65536 is max right?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Newo on September 18, 2007, 02:47:48 pm
I think steps are 8 digit. It was way more than just 65536.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sorreah on September 20, 2007, 09:49:12 am
I've heard of Bad Egg either

1. Never hatching

2. Hatching infinitely

3. Hatching into another Bad Egg

4. Freezing

5.Hatching into ? in a circle or the double white ??.

Don't know if all of those are true, though :/
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 20, 2007, 02:52:45 pm
The only thing that it would hatch into would be another bad egg right? Because eggs have to have the hex of what they hatch into right? Bad egg's would probably be itself!
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: King Homer on September 21, 2007, 01:16:09 pm
Yes. I do believe Bad Egg is intentional. My personal belief is that Game Freak was getting tired of people getting free Mews and Celebis, Pokemon that were not ever supposed to be caught in the game, so they put it in there to make sure that not everybody could get a Jirachi or Deoxys.

But that's just my opinion. Don't make much of this.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: rjaguar3 on September 21, 2007, 09:19:39 pm
After reading this (http://"http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bad_Egg") (although it doesn't have sources), I'm convinced that Game Freak had to have put Bad Egg in intentionally.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Abwayax on September 21, 2007, 09:52:33 pm
The Bulbapedia article pretty much says the same thing I've been saying throughout the thread. Bad egg is an error message, which is triggered as a result of corrupted data, and one of the ways data can be corrupted is if a Pokemon is improperly hacked. In this sense it is about as "intentional" as MissingNo and serves roughly the same purpose.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: King Homer on September 22, 2007, 11:11:29 am
I'm still certain they put it in to punish people who improperly hacked. It just seems that way. Isn't it just odd, how, if you do it just a little bit wrong, you'll end up with a Bad Egg?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sorreah on September 24, 2007, 05:12:57 pm
I'm suspicious of it because it has a proper name. I mean, BAD egg? Not the kinda thing a random glitch comes up with. Of course, they could have used that to tell a good egg from the glitched one in beta testing.

Does it have its own hex or not. Seems odd if it didn't, make it hard to prgram in if it already shares a Hex with egg...
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 24, 2007, 05:14:21 pm
To make a long story short, it does.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: MissingNO. #1 Master on September 25, 2007, 02:27:19 am
Does it have its own hex or not. Seems odd if it didn't, make it hard to prgram in if it already shares a Hex with egg...
Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, LeafGreen, FireRed: No
Diamond, Pearl: Yes
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: rby4ever on September 25, 2007, 05:40:03 am
Quote
Isn't it just odd, how, if you do it just a little bit wrong, you'll end up with a Bad Egg?

No, it isn't. Make a batch file and type in one thing wrong. Guess what's gonna happen...

Bad Egg, like Missingno., was likely used as a "stopgap" for debugging. The game expects a value... but what if it doesn't get it? Or what if it gets a value it isn't supposed to under any circumstances? It'll freeze up, that's what!... unless you have it set up to do something even though it didn't receive any data.

You see, no matter how good of a programmer you are... you're human... and thus, prone to making errors. A single mistake will ruin the ability of the program to work properly... usually...

Worse, how the heck are you supposed to know what's wrong? It's very possible to look over the same code 12 times, and not see the problem.

By using a stopgap, such as Missingno., you narrow down the possibilities. If the game freezes, you don't have any immediate indicators as to why. But if you get Bad EGG on the screen... you know right away that something is either not putting out the right values for a Pokemon encounter... or putting false values. You then know that you need to look at anything relevant to setting those values, and nothing else.

Similar things happen with the "glitch city" trick of RBY. Depending on where you are when the timer runs out, you'll exit out of some building of a city (or a glitch city). That's the game saying "oh, we're not in Fuchsia anymore... the exit value doesn't match anything in this town... pick one of the default exit locations".



Another reason the Bad Egg likely wasn't included on purpose... as I understand it, there is potential for it to corrupt the firmware on the cart, and make it unbootable. Gamefreak would not purposely create a cart that could destroy itself.

What's more, if they wanted to, they could make a clean file deletion protocol instead of the chaotic mess that is the bad egg. The effects are hard to predict... that's another slight against the idea that they put it there willfully.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: rjaguar3 on September 26, 2007, 08:06:41 pm
But the fact that Gamefreak made it so that a Pok?mon was a bad egg iff its checksum value was wrong clearly shows that it was intentionally put in.  However, I don't believe Gamefreak thought through any consequences of what would happen if one kept the egg.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: King Homer on September 28, 2007, 01:30:32 pm
From what I've heard, the game usually freezes when it hatches. Or, out comes a ??.

I'm also not ever getting Diamond/Pearl...but the fact that in those games Bad Egg has its very own Hex tells me that AT LEAST IN D/P they put it in with the intent to do so.

I still do believe it was intentional in Ruby and Sapphire.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sorreah on September 29, 2007, 04:57:01 pm
Is Bad Egg still as deadly in D/P as it is in R/S/E?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Missing? NO! on September 29, 2007, 07:55:21 pm
Is Bad Egg still as deadly in D/P as it is in R/S/E?
If you catch it from the wild, it will freeze your game.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on September 30, 2007, 08:44:12 am
 :???: How do you find one in the wild with no hex
Anyway I just realized, it is like Ilsty and ? in GSC because of no hex...
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sorreah on September 30, 2007, 06:35:10 pm
Is Bad Egg still as deadly in D/P as it is in R/S/E?
If you catch it from the wild, it will freeze your game.

So that makes it somewhat less deadly?

I always wondered about Ilsty too. I wonder what kind of Pokemon it was supposed to be...
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: MissingNO. #1 Master on October 01, 2007, 01:11:02 am
:???: How do you find one in the wild with no hex
Anyway I just realized, it is like Ilsty and ? in GSC because of no hex...
It DOES have a hex in Diamond/Pearl.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sorreah on October 01, 2007, 10:31:00 am
Yeah, but how did it exiast in R/S/E if it didn't have a hex thee? O_o
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Newo on October 01, 2007, 11:46:28 am
Same way Substitute, Ghost, Castform variants and Kabutops and Aerodactyl fossil exist in FrLgRSE
None of those have definite hex. They are just text and pictures.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on October 01, 2007, 03:27:35 pm
:???: How do you find one in the wild with no hex
Anyway I just realized, it is like Ilsty and ? in GSC because of no hex...
It DOES have a hex in Diamond/Pearl.
I mean in R/S/E.
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sorreah on October 02, 2007, 10:18:51 am
Huh...pretty deadly for just a picture and text though. So when it "eats" a Pokemon, the Pokemon data goes from hex to non-hex? Or jusr deleted and replaced by Bad Egg?
Title: Re: Was Bad Egg intentional?
Post by: Sherkel on October 02, 2007, 04:26:07 pm
More like it detects a slightly flawed code, and just puts it there.