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Title: Religion
Post by: Kaena on April 22, 2009, 07:19:43 pm
DO NOT TRASH OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGIONS.

I put this in Debate Wars because it is too sensitive for General Discussion. So, I repeat:

DO NOT TRASH OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGIONS.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Photon-Phoenix on April 22, 2009, 07:23:28 pm
Where's the multitheist button?
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Sasara on April 22, 2009, 08:48:36 pm
Where's the "Other" button?

(voted for "Atheist" because that's what I am)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Zach the Glitch Buster on April 22, 2009, 10:45:53 pm
Eh, agnostic simply because too many religions have really pissed me off and I see no reason to throw my beliefs behind something I don't control. Respectively, I've seen to many atheist's be full out ass holes by trying to convert people to there empty void of nothingness. Best remove myself from the bickering and go agnostic.
Although, just to add to the confusion, I go to a catholic school. I also love it there. No nuns smacking kids with rulers. Much more liberal Catholic school. Not actually tied to the local church at all.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Bluelatios on April 23, 2009, 09:18:00 am
Well, I am a Christian. It is the most historically backed up religion in the world. The Bible written over several thousand years, 40 people, and 3 continents (Europe, Asia, and Africa). They never knew each other or read their writings that make up the 66 books of the Bible, and lived in different times (hence taking those many years to finish). After it was written and gathered to put in 1 volume, we saw that it all pointed to the same God and Jesus. That's why I believe its actually is the right religion, even though all the other religions claim to be right. There are also other facts to consider as well, see this http://www.gotquestions.org/correct-religion.html
it is a very interesting page, worth reading and obviously, you can dish out any other questions about this religion that you like on that website. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: FLOOTENKERP on April 25, 2009, 07:40:52 am
i answered the flying sphaggetti monsterism, lol, but no, im a jehovah witness.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Kaena on April 25, 2009, 12:21:59 pm
I forgot to add "Other" and "Multiple Religions" buttons. Consider it fixed.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Brocco Guy on April 25, 2009, 02:02:52 pm
I'm not religious.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Cara de Fantasma on April 25, 2009, 02:27:21 pm
I'm a buddhist. You would be suprised how many people don't believe me when I say that. Its a pretty hard religion to fully understand.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Kaena on April 29, 2009, 09:06:27 pm
Eh, agnostic simply because too many religions have really pissed me off and I see no reason to throw my beliefs behind something I don't control. Respectively, I've seen to many atheist's be full out ass holes by trying to convert people to there empty void of nothingness. Best remove myself from the bickering and go agnostic.

Atheists can be just as violent as religious people, so I decided to be tolerant and go with agnostic. I don't have the will to actively worship a deity like God or cause (i.e. enlightenment). However, I do attend Passover and Hannukah (Passover=crazy good horseradish & matzo balls, Hannukah=more presents to supplement secular Christmas).
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: xparasite9 on April 29, 2009, 10:42:43 pm
Atheists can be just as violent as religious people, so I decided to be tolerant and go with agnostic. I don't have the will to actively worship a deity like God or cause (i.e. enlightenment). However, I do attend Passover and Hannukah (Passover=crazy good horseradish & matzo balls, Hannukah=more presents to supplement secular Christmas).
seems kinda greedy and selfish...and downright wrong.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Glisp on April 30, 2009, 03:31:38 pm
My religion was roman Catholic but I'm currently in some kind of void trying to figure out if it is where I really belong. I leaned towards Atheist for a short time but then ended stuck in a (figuratively speaking of course.) fork in the road and I'm still trying to make my desicion of where I want to go now. I've though about creating my own religion, but then I just decided to acknowledge my own religion's existence but ignore it and decided not to worry about it as my religion is unimportant to me on most aspects.

No offense to Christians but you sometimes get really cocky. Especially when it involves the  Creationist theory vs. Darwin's Theory of Evolution. I think its really funny to see a Creationist and a Darwinist get into such a big fight over if animals evolve or not and the Creationist dude's face gets all red because he feels like he's losing the argument. I'm not quite sure why I find that amusing but I do. Possibly because technology has advanced so rapidly these days that is intrigues me to see someone who believes in something old and backed up by information that has no valid proof but yet manages to survive. I mean no disrespect by what I just said but I think its funny how Creationist Christians can get so defensive over something as small as someone defacing their beliefs to their face. They absolutly hate it.
 

I know quite a few decent Christians though. I'm also best friends with an Atheist. He's not really like your typical Atheist. He doesn't talk a lot and is quiet about offending people's religions. He doesn't generally attack other people's religious beliefs directly unless they attack his first. (note that Atheism is not an actual religion but it is a religious belief.)

The types of Christians that bother me are the kinds that don't understand and refusal to accept that some people are different. They think that humanity should be perfect and all those who aren't perfect like them shouldn't have the right to exist. This kind of Hatred towards individuals, while not illegal, often causes other groups to attack them for their stupidity. (Note: I'm not referring to anyone in general.)

Note: I'm not referring to anyone in general by the last paragraph. If you ask me though that's going a bit extreme.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: IIMarckus on April 30, 2009, 04:37:29 pm
If more Christians actually read the Gospels (people who say they are Christians anyway), the world would be a better place. It?s unfortunate that much of what?s called Christianity nowadays is more social than religious.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ∀xaj on April 30, 2009, 07:53:03 pm
The types of Christians that bother me are the kinds that don't understand and refusal to accept that some people are different. They think that humanity should be perfect and all those who aren't perfect like them shouldn't have the right to exist. This kind of Hatred towards individuals, while not illegal, often causes other groups to attack them for their stupidity. (Note: I'm not referring to anyone in general.)

That paragraph perfectly describes Christian Scientists (funny, because they are completely unscientific).  In fact one of my good friends is a christian scientist.  We often argue about religion (I'm agnostic) because my parents are doctors and he has never gone to a doctor (because of his religion, of course).  But here's the kicker:  He believes in evolution.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Glisp on April 30, 2009, 07:58:43 pm
Actually I was referring to Discrimination. But I guess. Your friend is a Christain Scientist and he accepts Evolution? That's good. That's very good.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Zach the Glitch Buster on May 01, 2009, 06:14:27 pm
Atheists can be just as violent as religious people, so I decided to be tolerant and go with agnostic. I don't have the will to actively worship a deity like God or cause (i.e. enlightenment). However, I do attend Passover and Hannukah (Passover=crazy good horseradish & matzo balls, Hannukah=more presents to supplement secular Christmas).
seems kinda greedy and selfish...and downright wrong.
And its also the American way, so f**k it.
But really, that's what all of these religious holidays have become, Americanized. The religious meaning is there if you look for it but most people don't. Its a time for a family to get together, to spend time together, and they follow all of the traditions that go with the holiday. Christmas gifts are given every year but, I'm willing to bet, very few American realize or care that the idea behind the gifts was to remember the wise men bringing gifts to baby Jesus. So its not downright wrong, its simply American. If your going to argue that the American way if screwed up, then have fun
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Glisp on May 01, 2009, 07:08:36 pm
Atheists can be just as violent as religious people, so I decided to be tolerant and go with agnostic. I don't have the will to actively worship a deity like God or cause (i.e. enlightenment). However, I do attend Passover and Hannukah (Passover=crazy good horseradish & matzo balls, Hannukah=more presents to supplement secular Christmas).
seems kinda greedy and selfish...and downright wrong.
And its also the American way, so f**k it.
But really, that's what all of these religious holidays have become, Americanized. The religious meaning is there if you look for it but most people don't. Its a time for a family to get together, to spend time together, and they follow all of the traditions that go with the holiday. Christmas gifts are given every year but, I'm willing to bet, very few American realize or care that the idea behind the gifts was to remember the wise men bringing gifts to baby Jesus. So its not downright wrong, its simply American. If your going to argue that the American way if screwed up, then have fun

I'll admit to it! I DON'T CARE! Btw, Raptor Jesus (don't ask, it seems to be some really stupid internet meme going around. Basically it is a picture of Jesus with a photoshopped Jurassic Park Raptor Head pasted on it)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Bluelatios on May 01, 2009, 08:27:35 pm
The types of Christians that bother me are the kinds that don't understand and refusal to accept that some people are different. They think that humanity should be perfect and all those who aren't perfect like them shouldn't have the right to exist. This kind of Hatred towards individuals, while not illegal, often causes other groups to attack them for their stupidity.

I think that those people are not really true Christians. Actual Christians like me, are sort of opposite: We face the reality that nobody is perfect. But we care about people who do not realize that, instead of saying they suck. That's because we want to set a good example and lead them to knowing God's love and Christ's sacrifice on the cross. That's what we believe.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Abwayax on May 01, 2009, 09:19:06 pm
I am an atheist.

Religions don't appeal to me. Sure, maybe someone can try to make the case for an "ultimate being" greater than us, but is it the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, Zeus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Certainly not all of them can be true, so in using Occam's razor (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/occamraz.html) ("one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed") I take the easy path and decide that none of them are. Being an atheist allows me greater freedom in what morals I do choose to uphold and allows me to use my own logic to decide which ones are baseless (instead of relying on some preacher to tell me that homosexuality is wrong, for example, I use my own reasoning and decide that since it does not affect me in the least, I shouldn't have a problem with it).

For the record, it is quite possible to be moral without believing in any sort of religion.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Kaena on May 05, 2009, 02:16:10 pm
I do believe that religion provides something that atheism does not - a friend. Sometimes you need a friend, and religion provides one ready made so that you don't have to find one in times of need. Sure, it's more logical to accept that the friend is yourself, but religion gives you an almighty, divine friend (and who can pass up that?)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Sasara on May 05, 2009, 11:11:34 pm
I consider myself an atheist because there's enough evidence and theories to make it seem like the Universe doesn't need a god. Evolution created humans, dust created after the Big Bang created the Earth and many other things, energy make up the particles that make up everything.

Some might question where the Universe came from if nobody created it, but I question, where did your god or gods come from?

I also feel that if a god does exist, we, humanity and life, are that god. We have the power to create, to destroy, to change, to save lives, even potentially stop another 9/11. Would a god stop another 9/11? With what happened last time, it seems not. But we can, and according to what most people think are virtues, that seems to make us superior to gods, if we can just manage to do so. (In the most humane way possible, of course. I think torture doesn't work well and is against my "nonexistent atheist morals".)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Abwayax on May 05, 2009, 11:47:12 pm
I do believe that religion provides something that atheism does not - a friend.
So basically all of the religious wars are over whose imaginary friend is the best imaginary friend?

Edit:... even though the big three monotheistic religions are built around the same God? Maybe then it's just something like
"He likes me more!"
"No, He likes me more!"

Religion's a pretty funny lolcow at times
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Prisma on May 06, 2009, 02:40:24 am
I believe in the Olympian gods and it would be extremely difficult to explain why, and I wouldn't bullshit my explination if I did (cant vote cause im on mobile phone)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Glisp on May 07, 2009, 01:59:56 pm
I believe in the Olympian gods and it would be extremely difficult to explain why, and I wouldn't bullshit my explination if I did (cant vote cause im on mobile phone)

Have you been smoking s**t again Papadoc? XD Still its cool that there is actually still someone out there who believes in them. Nothing beats those gods. They're  classics!=P
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Jolteon on May 07, 2009, 02:29:41 pm
What about them Egyptian Gods?
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Glisp on May 07, 2009, 04:17:20 pm
The Yugioh cards or the real thing(s)? Either way lol. (More so if you mean the yugioh cards.)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Prisma on May 07, 2009, 05:10:17 pm
I believe in the Olympian gods and it would be extremely difficult to explain why, and I wouldn't bullshit my explination if I did (cant vote cause im on mobile phone)

Have you been smoking s**t again Papadoc? XD Still its cool that there is actually still someone out there who believes in them. Nothing beats those gods. They're  classics!=P
Yeah but that's not the reason why I believe in them.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Prisma on May 09, 2009, 05:57:56 pm
The Yugioh cards or the real thing(s)? Either way lol. (More so if you mean the yugioh cards.)
I don't much about Yu Gi Oh but I can
assume the Yu Gi Oh ones are based off
the real ones since YGO is just a cartoon(or
anime, whatever you wanna call it)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Kannon on June 04, 2009, 10:17:34 am
I believe that people who realize all people are either ignorant, stupid, hypocritical, or a combination of those are inherently better than people who don't.

But so far that's just me.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Zach the Glitch Buster on June 04, 2009, 11:41:34 am
I believe that people who realize all people are either ignorant, stupid, hypocritical, or a combination of those are inherently better than people who don't.

But so far that's just me.
By saying everyone is ignorant and stupid, your including yourself. So even if you realize everyone is a moron, your part of everyone, making yourself a moron, therefor making yourself no better then anyone else. So by saying your smarter then everyone then saying everyone is a moron, thus making you a moron, your logic becomes hypocritical.
Yes, I understand that hypocritical doesn't really fit there. I'm just trying to make a comedic point. And anyway, you should understand my meaning.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Kannon on June 07, 2009, 12:13:33 am
I think you mistake 'Inherently better' for meaning smarter, which if my dictionary is correct, it does not mean.

It just means you have a better grasp of reality than everyone else and thus, are actualy living in the moment and not preoccupied with massive loads of bullshit from other people. (Not you specificaly, just everyone in general)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ドナルド・マクドナルド on June 22, 2009, 05:22:33 pm
Where's the Confucianism button?
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Kaena on June 23, 2009, 04:18:47 pm
There's one now. Feel free to click on it.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: King Homer on July 16, 2009, 01:02:40 pm
I voted agnostic because at the moment I don't belong to any religion. Though I lean more towards Buddhism and Confucianism.

I do believe in a god. I do not, however, believe that God is a big white man with a beard sitting on top of the clouds.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ドナルド・マクドナルド on July 16, 2009, 01:22:45 pm
Blasphomy!

Just kiddding.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: SCf3 on June 10, 2010, 10:38:49 am
As of right now, I'm an atheist :P
I don't believe in God or whatever at all.
Nobody is gonna like....save me, but myself. Not some god :P
Blah
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: GoldenChaos on June 10, 2010, 02:55:52 pm
This pretty much sums up what I belive in a nutshell. I'm spiritual, but not religious. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism)

I believe there is a supreme being, but I do not believe that this being intervenes in our lives. I think something created the universe, because it's way too complex to just have randomly happened, but I don't believe that there is some moral code you have to live your life by. You make your own moral code and if you can't abide by it that's your own fault, not some devil's. I don't hate religion though. If more people were kind and loving like most religions teach their followers to be, our earth would be a better place. I do think people do bad things, and "sin", if you will. I'm just not sold on the idea of a heaven or a hell. I mean, I'd like to imagine that good people are rewarded and the evil are punished in the end, but that may just be fairy tale talk.

I do know one thing for sure though: "If there is no God, man would create one for himself."
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: VaeporSage on August 25, 2010, 07:31:41 am
Atheist. Not only do I not buy that there's a bearded man on a cloud that makes rain as opposed to the water cycle, but..being Christian...there really are few good examples of Christians. The Ten Commandments say, "Thou shalt not kill," but there are wars worldwide in which Christians are fighting, and indeed killing. Back hundreds of years ago, it was widely believed that God spoke through the Pope. But Jesus is God, if I'm not wrong, and if the Pope truly were acting on God's will, why are the halls of the Vatican still lined with gold when half, if not more, of the world's population is starving/living in poverty? I know for sure that if Jesus ran the Church, or even if Church officials tried to live like Jesus as they SHOULD be, then the world would work out a whole lot better.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: 46664 on November 11, 2011, 04:34:14 pm
I'm a Christian.

Yes, many Christians have lost their path and are pretty confused.  Interesting you bring up war, because God has helped alongside certain wars to keep a nation that keeps his word.  Don't expect to find someone to be a new Jesus.  Nobody is perfect.  Jesus will return.  Anywho, I hate how atheists (some of them) say that what I say in response to something is void because they think I'm wrong or crazy.  There's nothing crazy about believing in God. 

I personally don't believe in war if the cause isn't necessary.  If our country got invaded, then sure we should defend.  Honestly, I would rather take my own life than take someone else's, even if it was Hitler.

Anywho, modern day Christians have become pretty bad about what they do, because they become hypocrites to their beliefs.  I've heard Christians curse.  I've seen them gossip.  Some of them think it's alright to be homosexual. 

Another issue is that the U.S. is trying to eliminate Christianity and at the same time support other religions.  They will put a Christian in the fire, but will pull out a Buddhist or Muslim.  Apparently, us Christians are the worst people.  They must think we are scum or something.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: FullMetalGlitch on November 11, 2011, 06:37:07 pm
^Necropost, FFFUUUU-

In all reality, I am an atheist, but as a former Christian, I see a lot of your viewpoints.

And messing with one religion just because they aren't...fond of our ideals?

The U.S. government fails.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Pawny on November 11, 2011, 07:09:38 pm
^Lolsame. I'm actually forced to go to the church. :S
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Evie Torchic the Glitch Scientist on November 12, 2011, 10:42:40 am
^Necropost, FFFUUUU-

In all reality, I am an atheist, but as a former Christian, I see a lot of your viewpoints.

And messing with one religion just because they aren't...fond of our ideals?

The U.S. government fails.

I'm agnostic/atheist, but part of me is deist. I don't doubt that a God may exist but I don't want to assume that it would be in the image of mankind, or that it would be the type of God which would interrupt with our everyday lives or punish us for our actions. I also don't want to assume that a God doesn't exist, because in that sense we may be assuming that everything is open to scientific enquiry, like being 'fish studying water' and denying that the universe may have been constructed externally by things which are impossible for us to measure, such as the actions of a creator (kind of like playing The Sims, we would say that they couldn't objectively assume that there is no 'God' but it would be surprising if one of them suddenly said 'Hi God!' and said everything about you. We may assume that it was a game that was capable of e.g. reading your browser history, not knowing it from outside of the computer)

A person who has never experienced hearing may imagine what it may be like to 'hear' in terms of their other senses, or may believe that it makes them a completely different person altogether. The Big Bang theory is an educated assumption, because while it is based on the observation that the universe is expanding, it assumes that when the universe began it was expanding from something minuscule, and the traditional 'age of the universe' tries to make an assumption about the date of its beginning based on the assumption that it has always been expanding.

I don't think there are objective, universal 'evils'. I think that they are just social constructions, because what is 'evil' for one person isn't necessarily for another. There's also the 'lottery of birth' argument, in which if something is beyond your control, e.g. economic background, race, gender, how can you be stigmatised for it, where some religions tend to have classist/racist/sexist traits.

I don't think you can easily disregard creation of the universe, because that may be making dogmatic assumptions about religion, which is essentially like religion itself. I appreciate people like Richard Dawkins for wanting us to not be 'fence-sitters', but I don't think that all religions are as 'dangerous' as he claims, and only those with an extreme fundamentalist basis which can be a problem, though I dislike things like the emphasis on a Christian ethos in schools across Western society, when others like a Buddhist ethos are just as favourable.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: glitchuntress on November 12, 2011, 08:00:30 pm
I'm was an christian but now I'm an athiest. Though, I didn't go directly from Christian to Athiest.

I first went from being Christian to being a non-religous theist. I found out that everything I thought Christian's believed in was wrong. I was disillusioned and thus, stopped believeing in it.

I still believed in god, but I stop believing in the devil, the afterlife and everything else the preachers told me.

Then, I looked up some stuff and thought I wanted to be a Buddist but after looking into it I realised it wasn't really what I believed in. Then I did some pondering and I started to question god's existence. I got to this point where I didn't know whether I should play it safe and say 'I don't know' or just say 'no'. 

So, now I'm an Athiest. Because I found that I can't just shrug questions away, I needed to take a stand. And god really didn't make a lick of sense to me, so that's how I got to where I am.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: PhantoMewtwo on September 25, 2014, 06:27:50 pm
Where's the multitheist button?
Umm... multiple religions?
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Zowayix on September 26, 2014, 02:56:39 am
Where's the multitheist button?
Umm... multiple religions?

Multiple religions is different than multitheism, which would be a single religious belief of multiple deities.

Also you might want to be careful about necroposting, I don't mind because I'm an advocate for getting rid of the rule in this activity slump, but other mods may have differing views.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: danny on October 04, 2014, 06:45:58 am
Eh, agnostic simply because too many religions have really pissed me off and I see no reason to throw my beliefs behind something I don't control. Respectively, I've seen to many atheist's be full out ass holes by trying to convert people to there empty void of nothingness. Best remove myself from the bickering and go agnostic.
Although, just to add to the confusion, I go to a catholic school. I also love it there. No nuns smacking kids with rulers. Much more liberal Catholic school. Not actually tied to the local church at all.

Pretty much me too. I go to a catholic school and I am really confused. Do I pick one, stick with Catholicism? Christianity? Buddhism? FSMism? Agnosticism? The 4957293739 I haven't heard of?
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: danny on December 31, 2015, 03:32:21 pm
Update: I'm atheist now :|
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: GlitchHunterFletch on January 11, 2016, 03:44:16 am
Where is the cult of MissingNo. ?
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Zowayix on January 11, 2016, 03:59:30 am
It's under "Other religion", like the true path of life Madokaism.

(I suppose now that I've edited the poll to make it so you can change your vote some would argue that I might as well add those ones in there, but eh)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ravioli on February 06, 2017, 07:14:13 pm
Non-Denominational Christian here. Debate me.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Yeniaul on February 06, 2017, 08:10:20 pm
Does Dipshitism count?
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Unused Trainer on February 07, 2017, 06:19:40 am
Atheist.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Evie Torchic the Glitch Scientist on February 07, 2017, 08:10:50 am
I'm agnostic-theist, so basically I believe in God but feel it's impossible to know whether or not a God exists or the nature of what God is/wants since we're part of reality and can't look at it without escaping it. I still pray though and it seems to help even if what happens is really a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ISSOtm on February 08, 2017, 12:54:22 am
Pastafarianist. I do not believe in any God nor god, but I respect and accept those who do.
Unless they feel superior/want advantages because "my God is better than your God", in which case I dont give 'em a single ounce of respect.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Cryo on February 08, 2017, 09:10:37 am
Heh, I was actually raised half-Baptist and half-Catholic.

My grandparents on my father's side took me to a Baptist church whenever they had custody of me, while my mother's side took me to a Catholic church. I honestly preferred going to the Catholic church, since everyone seemed much more humble and the music from the pipe organ was absolutely incredible. My father's side also made me go to "vacation bible school" and "sunday school" at the Baptist church, so that may have some influence on my then-unwillingness to identify as a Baptist. So I guess I held mostly Catholic beliefs up until I was a teenager.

After a while, I drifted into agnosticism and later atheism, but decided to give Wicca an honest chance during my mid-late teens. That may have been my favorite and most personally relatable belief system as far as the existence of deities go. The respect for nature and respect for others' beliefs and feelings were really something I could get behind, as well as the details of their core moral principles (the "Wiccan Rede").

The most notable parts that I still hold today are the threefold law and the ending of the Rede, which both respectively read:

Mind the Three-fold Laws you should,
Three times bad and three times good.


and

These eight words the Rede fulfill:
An it harm none, do what ye will.


The "threefold law"—that any positive or negative energy you put into the world will be returned to you threefold—is something I see more as a karma system than anything, while the ending of the Rede allows for full personal freedom to do whatever you wish, so long as you don't bring harm to anyone or anything.

As of now though, I'm agnostic. I don't really hold theistic beliefs or perform theistic practices, but there's always a possibility that a deity does in fact exist.


Also, here's some fun food for thought:

There's no doubt that, especially when compared to the past 4-5 decades, recent technological advancements and resources have led us to a near-asymptotic increase in our own technological capabilities. If that asymptotic trend continues, then we may very well be able to further engineer our AI possibilities to astronomical levels, such as fully emulating a human brain or even emulating multiple people with fully-working brains at once.

Now, going a bit further than that, say we were to able to fully emulate not only a group of people, but an entire planet of people, or an entire galaxy of planets of people, or even an entire universe itself. If we reach that point in our technological capabilities, then what are the chances of us being the first to ever perform such a feat? Who's to say that we're not simply the product of our own creation—that our evolution is simply an observed environment being watched over by the programmers of our universe who were able to achieve the same thing? Or that the "speed of light" is simply a restriction placed upon the universe's variables by our own creators?

If we were truly able to achieve that level of technological advancement, then the inhabitants of our artificial universe wouldn't just be mindless data points; they'd have fully-working brains and subsequently would have the ability to utilize logic and reason, as well as be cognizant of their own consciousness. Would they, too, have these same thoughts?


I don't really care about all of that, since that's also a very real possibility alongside theistic beliefs, but I love playing devil's advocate sometimes. As long as I can have fun, glitch the heck out of some Pokemon, and not be a dick to other people, then that's all that matters in my book. ;)
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Unused Trainer on February 09, 2017, 03:01:16 am
Stephen Hawking has confirmed: the existence of god us matematically impossibile.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ravioli on July 19, 2017, 10:40:24 pm
The existence of a God cannot be proven or dis-proven. You cannot prove that there is a flying megatron outside of space time which created the universe. It's simply not possible.

You trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you that they are chemicals. Everything you observe and believe in are based on faith.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: natanelho on July 22, 2017, 09:24:51 am
I believe we cant know if we are in a "base reality", in other words, a non simulation world, or if there is a world outside this one. I cant go outside this existence by my own will, therefore it doesnt matter if I believe in it or not as it has no implications. therefore I believe we are in a base reality, that gods are fake and made-up by mortal minds as it is the simplest explanation to what we see and feel. someone who devotes his life to a religion is just wasting his time... but I dont hate ones who do. unless they make some stupid ass s**t decisions that can affect me and others who arent in that religion in a negative way... in such case I wont shut up. but that's how I react with other groups, not only religious ones
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Evie Torchic the Glitch Scientist on July 22, 2017, 01:16:28 pm
I believe we cant know if we are in a "base reality", in other words, a non simulation world, or if there is a world outside this one. I cant go outside this existence by my own will, therefore it doesnt matter if I believe in it or not as it has no implications.

I agree with this, and I think God (if God exists) will always love us unconditionally.

therefore I believe we are in a base reality, that gods are fake and made-up by mortal minds as it is the simplest explanation to what we see and feel. someone who devotes his life to a religion is just wasting his time... but I dont hate ones who do. unless they make some stupid ass s**t decisions that can affect me and others who arent in that religion in a negative way... in such case I wont shut up. but that's how I react with other groups, not only religious ones

I relate with this too. I find dogma is fine as long as you don't try to force your view on others and remember to treat people with love and respect. I really dislike that and also religious extremism. In my view you risk not living in God at all and also risk falling to narrow-minded thinking or segregating those who don't believe in your views.

I relate to Christianity though in various ways. My favourite parable is that a good shepherd opens the door by the gate, if you go in by the fence you could scare the sheep and doing that in general is disrepectful (the quote goes on to say that those who go in by the fence are by figures of speech a "burglar"). Therefore we treat others with respect, also be humble and also if you ever meet with someone with ideals that you don't believe in, you go in their shoes, acknowledge their ideals and treat them with fairly.

I also relate to Jesus' saying that he is there so "the blind will see" and "those who see will become blind". This could be interpreted to mean that at times we are caught in an issue such as low mood and 'don't see the light', but God/Jesus will make us understand the issue with greater insight and forgive ourselves and/or others.

Those who see will become blind at a first glance sounds bad, but it means that sometimes in life we have received our comfort but will eventually lose it. It is believed this is needed in Christianity because in God's view those who become proud risk developing qualities such as arrogance, selfishness, being judgemental, discriminating or segregative, condescending.
This is also links into a saying that God chose wisdom in the world to fool the wise, like how in science we have many times changed our paradigms to better fit new discoveries. It also humbles the spirit for things to be this way and strengthens our unconditional love.

Though this is not in Christianity, I feel this also similar to the spiritual law of balance and polarity. If you feel an extreme emotion (such as a keen enthusiasm in something or depression) or are even in an extreme situation (like being a slave), you must at some point have experienced the opposite situation (even if you were a slave but became a dictator in another life) to complete our understanding of the experience.

I'm going to be assertive though in saying I disagree however with some parts of the Bible, in particular the views the homosexuality is immoral (the Bible says they will not "inherit the kingdom of God"), as well as (actual quote) "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this." and this one is obscure but there is also a verse along the lines that women should be submissive as Eve ate the fruit! In my view that is just sexism disguised as an archetype. Sadly I can no longer find the last one.

This is personally why I stopped believing in fundamental Christianity and became agnostic. But I wish people of all religions could transcend to a place in which their ideals are met without hurting other people.

I personally believe the meaning of life is simply to strengthen love through hardship (in fact we could have eternal love but if you had something to compare it with like yin/yang the feeling would become stronger), but I still assert that I know nothing about God.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: natanelho on July 23, 2017, 12:40:07 am
I believe we cant know if we are in a "base reality", in other words, a non simulation world, or if there is a world outside this one. I cant go outside this existence by my own will, therefore it doesnt matter if I believe in it or not as it has no implications.

I agree with this, and I think God (if God exists) will always love us unconditionally.

therefore I believe we are in a base reality, that gods are fake and made-up by mortal minds as it is the simplest explanation to what we see and feel. someone who devotes his life to a religion is just wasting his time... but I dont hate ones who do. unless they make some stupid ass s**t decisions that can affect me and others who arent in that religion in a negative way... in such case I wont shut up. but that's how I react with other groups, not only religious ones

I relate with this too. I find dogma is fine as long as you don't try to force your view on others and remember to treat people with love and respect. I really dislike that and also religious extremism. In my view you risk not living in God at all and also risk falling to narrow-minded thinking or segregating those who don't believe in your views.

I relate to Christianity though in various ways. My favourite parable is that a good shepherd opens the door by the gate, if you go in by the fence you could scare the sheep and doing that in general is disrepectful (the quote goes on to say that those who go in by the fence are by figures of speech a "burglar"). Therefore we treat others with respect, also be humble and also if you ever meet with someone with ideals that you don't believe in, you go in their shoes, acknowledge their ideals and treat them with fairly.

I also relate to Jesus' saying that he is there so "the blind will see" and "those who see will become blind". This could be interpreted to mean that at times we are caught in an issue such as low mood and 'don't see the light', but God/Jesus will make us understand the issue with greater insight and forgive ourselves and/or others.

Those who see will become blind at a first glance sounds bad, but it means that sometimes in life we have received our comfort but will eventually lose it. It is believed this is needed in Christianity because in God's view those who become proud risk developing qualities such as arrogance, selfishness, being judgemental, discriminating or segregative, condescending.
This is also links into a saying that God chose wisdom in the world to fool the wise, like how in science we have many times changed our paradigms to better fit new discoveries. It also humbles the spirit for things to be this way and strengthens our unconditional love.

Though this is not in Christianity, I feel this also similar to the spiritual law of balance and polarity. If you feel an extreme emotion (such as a keen enthusiasm in something or depression) or are even in an extreme situation (like being a slave), you must at some point have experienced the opposite situation (even if you were a slave but became a dictator in another life) to complete our understanding of the experience.

I'm going to be assertive though in saying I disagree however with some parts of the Bible, in particular the views the homosexuality is immoral (the Bible says they will not "inherit the kingdom of God"), as well as (actual quote) "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this." and this one is obscure but there is also a verse along the lines that women should be submissive as Eve ate the fruit! In my view that is just sexism disguised as an archetype. Sadly I can no longer find the last one.

This is personally why I stopped believing in fundamental Christianity and became agnostic. But I wish people of all religions could transcend to a place in which their ideals are met without hurting other people.

I personally believe the meaning of life is simply to strengthen love through hardship (in fact we could have eternal love but if you had something to compare it with like yin/yang the feeling would become stronger), but I still assert that I know nothing about God.
that's a pov of someone I would respect. people who say they believe in every word written in the holy book are not very smart most of the time, they either dont read or dont understand it and say they do. I mean, the book (most of them) is super old, most of it needs an interpretation because it holds more then one meaning depending on how you interpret it, and not everybody can interpret it however they want- only the big people can and you have to accept it... you cant get a huge book with tons of stuff and which is old and say you agree with all of it... times change, and so is society...
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ravioli on July 23, 2017, 08:28:41 am
I'm going to be assertive though in saying I disagree however with some parts of the Bible, in particular the views the homosexuality is immoral (the Bible says they will not "inherit the kingdom of God"), as well as (actual quote) "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this." and this one is obscure but there is also a verse along the lines that women should be submissive as Eve ate the fruit! In my view that is just sexism disguised as an archetype. Sadly I can no longer find the last one.
Except this isn't necessarily true. Christianity in general is commonly associated with the same rules of Catholicism where every rule and statement in the bible is followed and acknowledged. However, this is not the case. There are different sects of Christianity. Christ acknowledged that the Old Testament was pharisee law bullshit for the most part. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:17–18) The Old Testament was fulfilled by Christ, so the concept of Christianity is to love Christ, and to accept he is your Lord and Savior.

This is at least the Protestant view of this, as I cannot fully explain something from which I don't understand, (other christian sects).

tldr; the old testament is not neccesary to follow and was called out as bullshit by christ
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Evie Torchic the Glitch Scientist on August 04, 2017, 11:50:52 am
I see. Yeah, there are different sects/ways to interpret it. :)

I feel we live in a more accepting society nowadays that isn't as strict regarding ways of life. For what it's worth this dilemma is known as apostasy (also in a negative sense referred to as "falling away"), which means some of the Bible's original laws/principles are abandoned.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ravioli on August 05, 2017, 05:26:59 pm
I see. Yeah, there are different sects/ways to interpret it. :)

I feel we live in a more accepting society nowadays that isn't as strict regarding ways of life. For what it's worth this dilemma is known as apostasy (also in a negative sense referred to as "falling away"), which means some of the Bible's original laws/principles are abandoned.

Because people interpret the Bible differently with it's translations. It's not interpretations, which is contrary to popular belief. Different denominations have different translations of the book. I'd say KJV is the best, but in KJV's translation it says that Peter is not the first Pope.

Protestants believe that the KJV, (their translation), proves that which we are not to 100% follow the old testament. Sola fide, sola scriptura.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Evie Torchic the Glitch Scientist on August 06, 2017, 06:55:39 am
I see, that's interesting. I was personally already aware of there being different translations but at the same time I still feel interpretations (in addition to the translations having differences, and feel interpretation plays a big role in translation but not sure to what extent here) may be important, like how not only they could appear in translation but there are also many parables in the Bible and we've got to try and understand the message.

Sorry, I should have clarified 'ways to interpret it' to include the translations.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Pokedude on January 10, 2018, 10:58:34 am
Ok well I'm a christian and the reason it would be logical in my eyes that God exist and is the one and only true God is because one he is the only God that loves everyone otherwise if any other god existed but hated some people than wouldn't we all be dead? Also if you need physical proof there is the relics that would prove the events in the Bible. I don't know a while lot about different religions but God just seems so real to me. I've read about different ancient beliefs like Zeus and stuff but they are just so weird to me like if their "gods" and immortal than why wouldn't they just blast the people they don't like out of existence? Also why can they be wounded and than just run away from a battle when they are supposed to be immortal? I like logic and they are not logical. Also people think well why doesn't God just get rid of sin forever and the reason as I see it is that God doesn't want to do that because that would be like forcing us to do good and we wouldn't have a choice and he wants us to choose the right way for ourselves so that we can probe that we are capable of making the right choices in life. Its sad that this country was founded on the ways of God and now look at us, I mean we're legalizing Marijuana something that can hurt you and your life! I think that if Trump really wants to make America great again than he should stop being racist and bring back the laws that were supposed to keep people safe from their own sins. Everybody is a child of God and God loves everyone in the while world as we are all his children and he is our father. He loves everyone even the people who have commited great sins for he loves them but he does not love their sins just like a father loves his son even though his son got into does trouble. All you would ever need to do is to repent to God for your sins and stop doing that sin and he will forgive you no matter how bad it is. I would recommend getting all the details out of a Bible than just going on what I've said because there is much more to it and nobody is perfect Christian or Not. If you have read through this while post than I thank you and may you have learned that God loves you.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Epsilon on January 10, 2018, 01:25:28 pm
Personally, I'm an atheist. I never bought into the idea of a higher power.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Parzival on January 10, 2018, 10:15:42 pm
Ok well I'm a christian and the reason it would be logical in my eyes that God exist and is the one and only true God is because one he is the only God that loves everyone otherwise if any other god existed but hated some people than wouldn't we all be dead? Also if you need physical proof there is the relics that would prove the events in the Bible. I don't know a while lot about different religions but God just seems so real to me. I've read about different ancient beliefs like Zeus and stuff but they are just so weird to me like if their "gods" and immortal than why wouldn't they just blast the people they don't like out of existence? Also why can they be wounded and than just run away from a battle when they are supposed to be immortal? I like logic and they are not logical. Also people think well why doesn't God just get rid of sin forever and the reason as I see it is that God doesn't want to do that because that would be like forcing us to do good and we wouldn't have a choice and he wants us to choose the right way for ourselves so that we can probe that we are capable of making the right choices in life. Its sad that this country was founded on the ways of God and now look at us, I mean we're legalizing Marijuana something that can hurt you and your life! I think that if Trump really wants to make America great again than he should stop being racist and bring back the laws that were supposed to keep people safe from their own sins. Everybody is a child of God and God loves everyone in the while world as we are all his children and he is our father. He loves everyone even the people who have commited great sins for he loves them but he does not love their sins just like a father loves his son even though his son got into does trouble. All you would ever need to do is to repent to God for your sins and stop doing that sin and he will forgive you no matter how bad it is. I would recommend getting all the details out of a Bible than just going on what I've said because there is much more to it and nobody is perfect Christian or Not. If you have read through this while post than I thank you and may you have learned that God loves you.
How many people have directly died because of weed? 0, according to NBC. (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/legal-pot/no-high-risk-marijuana-may-be-less-harmful-alcohol-tobacco-n312876) And if God doesn't want to harm anyone, why not just make those that sin not exist, or do the sams to non-believers? Oh, and the Greek wounded-god things: The gods were woundable because those that harmed them were harnessing one or another god's powers to do so, or there was a flaw in a minor god (Achilles being the most common example). I know you recommend reading the Bible to get the full Christian picture, but if you're reading the King James Version, the New International Version and a variety of others, you're reading a copy of the Bible that has been tampered with for the purpose of pushing a personal agenda of a dead King (King James, funnily enough) on his subjects.

Cheers, man.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Pokedude on January 11, 2018, 03:28:43 pm
I wasn't talking about death by weed but losing your God given mind when you smoke it.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Pokedude on January 11, 2018, 03:34:32 pm
Also sorry if it sounds like I'm putting other religion down but I'm not trying to be rude it is just how I see it.  If your looking for the real Bible then you could technically just learn whatever language the original is in and read it like that but I feel the NIV gets the idea through.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Bert on January 11, 2018, 04:30:13 pm
Atheist here.

I wasn't talking about death by weed but losing your God given mind when you smoke it.

I liked Reefer Madness too, but weed doesn't make you "lose your mind." You may, however, become a menace to a bag of Cheetos and have the strange desire to listen to the band Phish.

On second thought...
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Parzival on January 11, 2018, 06:40:54 pm
goddammit Bert why you gotta brighten up my day like this
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: IIMarckus on January 24, 2018, 10:38:51 pm
Because people interpret the Bible differently with it's translations. It's not interpretations, which is contrary to popular belief. Different denominations have different translations of the book. I'd say KJV is the best, but in KJV's translation it says that Peter is not the first Pope.

Protestants believe that the KJV, (their translation), proves that which we are not to 100% follow the old testament. Sola fide, sola scriptura.
This is, uh, not very accurate. Yes, there are different translations of the Bible (that differ both in interpretation and in what source texts are considered canonical), but these do not generally align to denomination. There is a Catholic Bible, but its primary distinction is in which source texts it considers authoritative, not (primarily at least) how it’s translated. That Bible doesn’t say Peter is the first pope either—it’s all in how they interpret Jesus’s “on this rock” statement, which exists in the KJV also.

Catholics hold to the Old Testament roughly to the extent that Protestants do: which is to say, somewhat inconsistently, but they don’t throw it out completely. (Can you think of a Protestant who doesn’t practically venerate the Ten Commandments?)

It is true that Catholics do not believe in sola scriptura, which is a significant difference. I would be careful about attributing things to Protestants as a whole, though, as there is a huge variety in practice and thought.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Parzival on January 25, 2018, 06:36:14 am
Because people interpret the Bible differently with it's translations. It's not interpretations, which is contrary to popular belief. Different denominations have different translations of the book. I'd say KJV is the best, but in KJV's translation it says that Peter is not the first Pope.

Protestants believe that the KJV, (their translation), proves that which we are not to 100% follow the old testament. Sola fide, sola scriptura.
This is, uh, not very accurate. Yes, there are different translations of the Bible (that differ both in interpretation and in what source texts are considered canonical), but these do not generally align to denomination. There is a Catholic Bible, but its primary distinction is in which source texts it considers authoritative, not (primarily at least) how it’s translated. That Bible doesn’t say Peter is the first pope either—it’s all in how they interpret Jesus’s “on this rock” statement, which exists in the KJV also.

Catholics hold to the Old Testament roughly to the extent that Protestants do: which is to say, somewhat inconsistently, but they don’t throw it out completely. (Can you think of a Protestant who doesn’t practically venerate the Ten Commandments?)

It is true that Catholics do not believe in sola scriptura, which is a significant difference. I would be careful about attributing things to Protestants as a whole, though, as there is a huge variety in practice and thought.
neither of you are gonna bring up why the KJV exists in the first place?
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: IIMarckus on January 25, 2018, 06:28:32 pm
neither of you are gonna bring up why the KJV exists in the first place?

What, that King James had an agenda? Of course he did.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Sasara on April 06, 2018, 07:48:45 pm
Atheism implies white noise empiricism. Technically, Charles Darwin was correct, but if quantum suicide is true, then evolution happened along a line of NP noise rather than true randomness.

Black people and especially Asian people usually notice that the Universe organizes itself to keep itself consistent.

Also, Mohammad was an anarchist(?)

neither of you are gonna bring up why the KJV exists in the first place?

What, that King James had an agenda? Of course he did.

all I know is that the English language gobbles up every single other language in existence
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Evie Torchic the Glitch Scientist on April 07, 2018, 07:41:22 am
Atheism implies white noise empiricism. Technically, Charles Darwin was correct, but if quantum suicide is true, then evolution happened along a line of NP noise rather than true randomness.

That sounds interesting. What does NP in NP noise stand for?

I think reconsidering things I'm not agnostic-theist. I have gnosis because there are ideas I believe in, like there is a personal God (however I think God is both personal and impersonal, not sure how to express...), but also just personal life strategies, like if you're feeling stressed take it slow. Prayer regarding trouble seems to work for me even if a lot of it is the placebo effect.

Additionally as absurd as it sounds I believe 'synchronicities' can occur when the universe wants to communicate with you. They seemed to happen a lot during my depression (such as I would find just the right people to address my problems or it would be addressed by chance in the media) but at the same time it's very easy for us to develop a cognitive bias that way, and they have since gone. So you have to be very careful not to become too superstitious, and not lose your sense of critical thinking.

I also don't believe in following a religion or new age movement word for word, because personal issues are complex and there can be many ways to find wellness. I used to get healing crystals for example but I don't buy them anymore. Though I like a lot of what the religions or NAMs say about philosophies of life, I just don't take them too seriously anymore because we are born without a guidebook for life, and it's tricky sometimes as our own sense of how to live doesn't always work (for example transition from childhood into adulthood), yet I feel you've got to find something you truly believe based on what you have found rather than accepting everything.

It's interesting how evolution exists. Something less complex like microbes evolve to have 'intelligent design', including things such as a digestive system, reproductive system and so on. On the other hand, other species can manipulate this to get the features they want through selective breeding.

I'm tempted to believe there may be a meaning of life, it could be both to strengthen the spirit and enjoy it, or it could be somebody's experiment, or it could be to create your own meaning. However there may not be a meaning of life after all.

Additionally why do some animals eat other animals and develop sharp teeth? It could be argued as 'survival of the fittest' and as a means of getting more nutrients but it seems cruel. For similar reasons in Christianity it says don't love the world (https://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-love-the-world.html), I take it to mean love should not be a reaction but come from within. Sometimes you can choose to love something, not just feel it. For example in managing pain you can try to withstand it while keeping faith in the greater good.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Sasara on April 27, 2018, 01:34:54 am
Atheism implies white noise empiricism. Technically, Charles Darwin was correct, but if quantum suicide is true, then evolution happened along a line of NP noise rather than true randomness.

That sounds interesting. What does NP in NP noise stand for?

Nondeterministic polynomial, as in nondeterministic polynomial algorithms that execute in polynomial time by taking all branches simultaneously on a nondeterministic Turing machine. NP calculations decide what result the wavefunction will take.

When I was at college in Denver, a meth dealer left some graffiti on some raised concrete underneath a bridge that said, paraphrased, "P is only logic that describes how to get from point A to point B. NP is thoughts, feelings, and emotions as we branch all over future timelines." I think they implied that animals and other things were included too, or I was feeling slightly elated otherwise. Then for a while after that, every time I walked back to the dorms, there was a long line of moving train cars to block my way. I'm pretty sure the security cameras noticed I was the train girl. :D

The logic of quantum suicide is based on the Schrödinger's cat thought experiment. I like to say we live in the NP universe rather than the white noise universe. I think my favorite example of witnessing quantum mechanics (although I've witnessed it over 9000 times, AI bahahahahaha) is seeing waves in a bog affected by my behaviors -- even my thoughts. There was a sin wave-shaped crack or carving in the log leaning across the bog onto the tree in the center that I was sitting on.

By the way, um. Grandfa ther clocks teach quantum suicide. Belief in the NP universe ended with neoclassicism in the mid-18th century -- I guess that began because of marine chronometers? Before that the world was in sync with pendulum clocks. Pi-rates.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Evie Torchic the Glitch Scientist on April 27, 2018, 09:21:42 am
Interesting.

I've heard of Schrödinger's cat, also the double-slit experiment. I remember at school we learned that before observation is made the cat could be argued to be both dead and alive at the same time.

It's fascinating to think the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics could be true. I like the idea of quantum computers as well which can have bits considered both on and off at the same time.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Pokedude on May 28, 2018, 07:27:42 pm
You know? Look at all these complicated terms and the complex way the universe is. I'm right in saying atheist believe in a "Big Bang" right? Well I am right then that leaves you to wonder a few points.
1. How did a random giant super nova accidentally make the world perfect. Perfect not in good or bad I mean. I mean the way things work and the complexity of creation it self. How did a random point in space just accidentally make all the things that work in such a specific way.
2. If there was a super nova that created most of the universe such as life on Earth, what created the supernova? What created what ever already existed before the super nova? I just find it as a incomplete excuse to diss God.

Also just as proof of the existence of God and Jesus you have an incredible amount of evidence. One is the fact that many religions believe in the worldwide flood though their versions are twisted. Something that the bible believes in as well. Also you have a big amount of facts pointing to what Jesus did. Relics and artifacts that prove his existence are everywhere. You can even estimate the age of the Earth because of trees that began their growth after the flood. It's not the crazy numbers scientists believe. It's all just Satan trying to pull us away from God. Making up thousand of twisted version of the truth. Ever wonder why a lot of other religions have similarities to the Gospel? Well that's why. And just because someone's a Christian doesn't mean they have to only do boring media and  stuff. I'm a Christian obviously and guess what? I'm not perfect either! I watch Markiplier who swears a lot. I like horrors a bit. I have watched  good bunch of movies with gore or swearing. But I still love God. That doesn't make those things right either though. I'm just trying to say that just because someones a Christian or you were thinking about being a Christian doesn't mean you have to be perfect. And if you're scared that God doesn't love you cause of something you've done, don't worry. He'll forgive you if you mean it and repent.
If you've read this thank you. Please think this over for yourself.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: ISSOtm on May 29, 2018, 08:41:31 am
There's another theory that makes more sense, at least imo: the universe has always existed, and always will; at some point, it starts collapsing on itself due to gravity, and when it's as condensed as it can (there's a hard limit to matter density), then it bounces back, and starts anew.

The universe exists because it can, and there has never been any creation -- it has always existed, and always will.
Infinity's a pretty cool concept :D

Also, there's no proof that God exists, and no proof that it exists either. Same with Jesus etc. Thus, it's to each to choose whether to believe or not, but there's no hard truth. It can be debated whether this or that is proof or not, but what it unacceptable is people forcing others to follow their beliefs just "because they're right". Or anything like that.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: IIMarckus on May 30, 2018, 10:04:14 am
Also, there's no proof that God exists, and no proof that it exists either. Same with Jesus etc.
There’s actually a lot of proof that Jesus exists, enough that his historicity is the mainstream academic view. Though unsurprisingly most non‐Christian academics don’t believe he was a divine miracle worker or the son of God.
Title: Re: Religion
Post by: Zowayix on June 01, 2018, 12:29:50 am
What does it mean to say "Jesus existed" though?

If there's some guy whose name was Jesus and was a carpenter with long hair or whatever, but he didn't have divine powers, then he's not really the same Jesus that people were talking about.

The Jesus that had divine powers is what's up for debate here.