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Wiki Discussion / Re: What do YOU want on the site?
« on: February 20, 2010, 09:58:22 pm »
I was actually planning to host videos here on GCL, but any attempts at converting the AVIs to FLV's seem to FAIL.
Free file conversion, fast and easy.

Videos hosted here would be wonderful.

I'd like a list of all Gambler-equivalent trainers that can be used for the Ditto Trick.

I'd also like a short list of useful trainers to fight for the second part of the Ditto Trick, like the kid with a Slowpoke for Mew or the first person to the right of Fuchsia for Missingno.
Also, a list of the special stats of your Rival's pokemon in the Elite 4. (using Roar to check them all)
Wiki Discussion / Re: Articles Needing Attention
« on: February 20, 2010, 09:12:41 pm »

I see several Stadium 2 roms listed.

The Ditto Trick can be done on the Elite 4, after saving (by changing boxes in a PC) and resetting.
Pokémon Discussion / Re: Favorite Pokémon
« on: February 20, 2010, 08:43:22 pm »
mainly Dragon/Ghost/Steel/Psychic types and stuff. Except Lucario. f**k that fucker.

Ditto for me. Except I love Dark and Poison-types, too, but Dragons less (because they're overhyped).

Additionally, I like Ditto, because it's actually a word. "Weird Al" Yankovic listed Ditto twice in his song "Polkamon", which was actually on the movie 2000 soundtrack. (Weird Al is awesome; you might have heard his song "Don't Download This Song", which he let people download for free on his site.)

As time goes by, I like more of the pokemon I had previously overlooked.

Darkrai is my favorite anime/movie character, with Mewtwo after.

I always had a soft spot for status, especially Sleep, because it was so simple and crippling, and the AI could never deal with it. It still can't. Gengar was my favorite in Gen I.

Jumpluff, because in an online MMO, sleep was glitched (things never woke), so I murdered with Jumpluff.

Porygon-Z, because it's the first competitive TCG deck I built, on the Redshark simulator. (the Great Encounters one, that can do 240 damage with 3 flips of heads)

Favorite human character: Imakuni? ("a strange creature not listed in the Pokedex." xD )

He's in the TCG version as a character, and as a card. He's also a real person, who illustrated most of the Japanese joke cards and some of the regular ones.
Thanks; I was not familiar with that one. Title edited accordingly.

I wonder why going to the group of 4 makes it so unstable.

And what effects would come of doing the Walking Through Walls glitch before going to them...

What is this Trick Zone glitch? I don't see it on Bulbapedia, and I haven't stumbled upon it here.
Following a lead from the Cave of Dragonflies (performed on Yellow)

This is the instruction (fleshed out by me) for extending the Ditto Trick and using it forever:

1. Fly away from the Gambler as usual.
2. Enter the pokemon center, go and use the PC, change boxes to save the game.
3. Reset! The Start menu works again, and you can do everything normally, including fighting by talking. The game is normal and the Ditto trick is halfway through; its conclusion can be postponed as long as you like.

4. Fight the Elite Four.
5. Find a Ditto, let it Transform, run, fly to Saffron or Lavender.
6. Go back to the Gambler's route, press "B", and fight your chosen pokemon.

I tested the underlying glitch on the standard Gambler and a regular trainer on my non-glitchy physical Blue cartridge.

My Blue isn't ready for the Elite Four, so I tested on the first Scientist in Silph Co., on floor 2.
I had forgotten to reset, so the game crashed when I talked to him. :P

I reset, spawned by the PC, and decided to see the Gambler to test. He didn't see me. So I went up to him and talked to him. The battle went normally. Afterward, I walked around a bit.
The START menu did not work anymore.
In the area 2+ spaces above him, I was walking slowly (like a 1/2 second pause on each tile), and any time I stopped moving, he became invisible (!).

EDIT: It seems all trainers on the route are glitch invisible.

I walked over to the middle of the route, where the group of 4 trainers stand. Before I got to them, I was forced to stop. The route music changed to an infinite loop of scrambled Pokemon cries. I could only move 1 tile every 5 seconds (omg, so slow...) by holding the arrow down continuously.

EDIT: In another test, I ran to Saffron and flew to Lavender, reentering from there. When I got near the Group of 4, the screen went black, so I reset.

I went back above the Gambler. He was still glitchy invisible. Emo Gambler ftw.

I left the route to Saffron. Upon returning, the route music was the regular one punctuated by pokemon screams from the previous loop. O_O

I reset & tested this again several times. Each time was the same, except I landed in a different tile near the group of 4, and a different choice of cries played in the loop.

EDIT: New testing shows that any audio can be stuffed into this loop. I heard the Lavender Town music.

In hindsight, I seem to have caught the same glitch as the Cave of Dragonflies author: "the whole route seemed to glitch up". I suppose having to beat the Gambler twice is a difference of versions.
I am afraid to test further, as my Blue is my only version with the Gambler unbeaten, and I don't want to have to restart. :P

I got out of this by resetting and fighting the Scientist normally (letting him see me), then finding a Ditto (for a Hitmonchan). However, fighting the Scientist by talking will not pop up the Start menu upon return to the route. Fighting a second trainer by talking also does nothing at the route.
EDIT: New testing shows that if you fight a trainer by talking and then a trainer by sight, the Ditto trick can be executed normally. So, it is quite likely the E4 will do.

I suppose your Rival would count as not being adjacent to you, because you're pulled to him.

0 ERROR variation steps:

1. Fly away from the Gambler.
2. Save by changing boxes on a PC.
3. Reset. START menu works again.
4. Go fight the Gambler. START menu disabled again...
5. Go to the Group of 4 in the middle of the route.
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