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Re: Religion
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2018, 07:41:22 am »
Atheism implies white noise empiricism. Technically, Charles Darwin was correct, but if quantum suicide is true, then evolution happened along a line of NP noise rather than true randomness.

That sounds interesting. What does NP in NP noise stand for?

I think reconsidering things I'm not agnostic-theist. I have gnosis because there are ideas I believe in, like there is a personal God (however I think God is both personal and impersonal, not sure how to express...), but also just personal life strategies, like if you're feeling stressed take it slow. Prayer regarding trouble seems to work for me even if a lot of it is the placebo effect.

Additionally as absurd as it sounds I believe 'synchronicities' can occur when the universe wants to communicate with you. They seemed to happen a lot during my depression (such as I would find just the right people to address my problems or it would be addressed by chance in the media) but at the same time it's very easy for us to develop a cognitive bias that way, and they have since gone. So you have to be very careful not to become too superstitious, and not lose your sense of critical thinking.

I also don't believe in following a religion or new age movement word for word, because personal issues are complex and there can be many ways to find wellness. I used to get healing crystals for example but I don't buy them anymore. Though I like a lot of what the religions or NAMs say about philosophies of life, I just don't take them too seriously anymore because we are born without a guidebook for life, and it's tricky sometimes as our own sense of how to live doesn't always work (for example transition from childhood into adulthood), yet I feel you've got to find something you truly believe based on what you have found rather than accepting everything.

It's interesting how evolution exists. Something less complex like microbes evolve to have 'intelligent design', including things such as a digestive system, reproductive system and so on. On the other hand, other species can manipulate this to get the features they want through selective breeding.

I'm tempted to believe there may be a meaning of life, it could be both to strengthen the spirit and enjoy it, or it could be somebody's experiment, or it could be to create your own meaning. However there may not be a meaning of life after all.

Additionally why do some animals eat other animals and develop sharp teeth? It could be argued as 'survival of the fittest' and as a means of getting more nutrients but it seems cruel. For similar reasons in Christianity it says don't love the world, I take it to mean love should not be a reaction but come from within. Sometimes you can choose to love something, not just feel it. For example in managing pain you can try to withstand it while keeping faith in the greater good.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2018, 01:34:54 am »
Atheism implies white noise empiricism. Technically, Charles Darwin was correct, but if quantum suicide is true, then evolution happened along a line of NP noise rather than true randomness.

That sounds interesting. What does NP in NP noise stand for?

Nondeterministic polynomial, as in nondeterministic polynomial algorithms that execute in polynomial time by taking all branches simultaneously on a nondeterministic Turing machine. NP calculations decide what result the wavefunction will take.

When I was at college in Denver, a meth dealer left some graffiti on some raised concrete underneath a bridge that said, paraphrased, "P is only logic that describes how to get from point A to point B. NP is thoughts, feelings, and emotions as we branch all over future timelines." I think they implied that animals and other things were included too, or I was feeling slightly elated otherwise. Then for a while after that, every time I walked back to the dorms, there was a long line of moving train cars to block my way. I'm pretty sure the security cameras noticed I was the train girl. :D

The logic of quantum suicide is based on the Schrödinger's cat thought experiment. I like to say we live in the NP universe rather than the white noise universe. I think my favorite example of witnessing quantum mechanics (although I've witnessed it over 9000 times, AI bahahahahaha) is seeing waves in a bog affected by my behaviors -- even my thoughts. There was a sin wave-shaped crack or carving in the log leaning across the bog onto the tree in the center that I was sitting on.

By the way, um. Grandfa ther clocks teach quantum suicide. Belief in the NP universe ended with neoclassicism in the mid-18th century -- I guess that began because of marine chronometers? Before that the world was in sync with pendulum clocks. Pi-rates.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #77 on: April 27, 2018, 09:21:42 am »
Interesting.

I've heard of Schrödinger's cat, also the double-slit experiment. I remember at school we learned that before observation is made the cat could be argued to be both dead and alive at the same time.

It's fascinating to think the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics could be true. I like the idea of quantum computers as well which can have bits considered both on and off at the same time.

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« Reply #78 on: May 28, 2018, 07:27:42 pm »
You know? Look at all these complicated terms and the complex way the universe is. I'm right in saying atheist believe in a "Big Bang" right? Well I am right then that leaves you to wonder a few points.
1. How did a random giant super nova accidentally make the world perfect. Perfect not in good or bad I mean. I mean the way things work and the complexity of creation it self. How did a random point in space just accidentally make all the things that work in such a specific way.
2. If there was a super nova that created most of the universe such as life on Earth, what created the supernova? What created what ever already existed before the super nova? I just find it as a incomplete excuse to diss God.

Also just as proof of the existence of God and Jesus you have an incredible amount of evidence. One is the fact that many religions believe in the worldwide flood though their versions are twisted. Something that the bible believes in as well. Also you have a big amount of facts pointing to what Jesus did. Relics and artifacts that prove his existence are everywhere. You can even estimate the age of the Earth because of trees that began their growth after the flood. It's not the crazy numbers scientists believe. It's all just Satan trying to pull us away from God. Making up thousand of twisted version of the truth. Ever wonder why a lot of other religions have similarities to the Gospel? Well that's why. And just because someone's a Christian doesn't mean they have to only do boring media and  stuff. I'm a Christian obviously and guess what? I'm not perfect either! I watch Markiplier who swears a lot. I like horrors a bit. I have watched  good bunch of movies with gore or swearing. But I still love God. That doesn't make those things right either though. I'm just trying to say that just because someones a Christian or you were thinking about being a Christian doesn't mean you have to be perfect. And if you're scared that God doesn't love you cause of something you've done, don't worry. He'll forgive you if you mean it and repent.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2018, 08:41:31 am »
There's another theory that makes more sense, at least imo: the universe has always existed, and always will; at some point, it starts collapsing on itself due to gravity, and when it's as condensed as it can (there's a hard limit to matter density), then it bounces back, and starts anew.

The universe exists because it can, and there has never been any creation -- it has always existed, and always will.
Infinity's a pretty cool concept :D

Also, there's no proof that God exists, and no proof that it exists either. Same with Jesus etc. Thus, it's to each to choose whether to believe or not, but there's no hard truth. It can be debated whether this or that is proof or not, but what it unacceptable is people forcing others to follow their beliefs just "because they're right". Or anything like that.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2018, 10:04:14 am »
Also, there's no proof that God exists, and no proof that it exists either. Same with Jesus etc.
There’s actually a lot of proof that Jesus exists, enough that his historicity is the mainstream academic view. Though unsurprisingly most non‐Christian academics don’t believe he was a divine miracle worker or the son of God.

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« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2018, 12:29:50 am »
What does it mean to say "Jesus existed" though?

If there's some guy whose name was Jesus and was a carpenter with long hair or whatever, but he didn't have divine powers, then he's not really the same Jesus that people were talking about.

The Jesus that had divine powers is what's up for debate here.


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« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2019, 10:30:54 am »
I'm atheist Buddhist now if that makes sense. Find anarchy to be yourself unless you don't want to. What I mean is sometimes you have to trust your instinct to truly let go, but you need to be rational as well with others. (don't get me wrong I love people, its just a thing with stereotypically women on the autistic spectrum like me, we can wear a mask but only because we try to restrain ourselves to treat people with respect.
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« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2019, 10:53:50 am »
I'm atheist Buddhist now if that makes sense. Find anarchy to be yourself unless you don't want to.
Not many people get that Buddhism is mainly a set of ideals, and isn't necessarily a religion in itself. Even atheists can be Buddhist due to that, so that's not weird.

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« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2019, 11:04:08 am »
I'm atheist Buddhist now if that makes sense. Find anarchy to be yourself unless you don't want to.
Not many people get that Buddhism is mainly a set of ideals, and isn't necessarily a religion in itself. Even atheists can be Buddhist due to that, so that's not weird.

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« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2019, 07:25:18 pm »
I don't believe in organized religion myself, though I do believe that there is a Heaven and Hell and I also believe in reincarnation. Yes that probably seems a bit strange now doesn't it? But I feel that people get sent to the afterlife, and can by request get reincarnated if they felt that they haven't fulfilled a goal in their other life. Because I believe in reincarnation, I also believe in past life recollection. I don't believe that it's a hoax, how would people know specific events if they never once read about it or experienced it in their current life? But I also believe in the paranormal, those spirits that are left to walk in the living world but cannot be seen by the living, I believe they're just lost and can't figure out where to go.

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« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2019, 07:38:26 am »
It kind of feels religion is sometimes explained in terms of necessity and things that necessarily 'are true'; but its like maybe religion and spirituality have more in common than we think even without gods or even dogma as we tend to think of it (set inflexible ideas). Sometimes different belief systems and ideas about existence divide us, but aren't they all equally correct - if they work for you. I guess sometimes we don't love something because we don't understand how it makes someone feel well. At the same time, I believe they shouldn't be forced on someone without their consent, like, sometimes we are born under a religion but don't want to associate with it as we get older; and love should be free - everyone and everything in the world it could be argued through 'web of life' is equally valued in the analogy that it is accepted into the world (regardless of clashing religions); by extension even if the next intelligent being eats humans, they are not 'bad'.

It feels belief systems (extending to cognitive systems, how we process and understand things which inevitably may be impossible to avoid) tend to cause segregation as well extending to everyday society not just about religion and spirituality (the idea that there are 'good' things, 'good' people, 'bad' things, 'bad' people etc. and this manifests through racism, sexism, etc. disdain for specific groups or people (in religious contexts: extremism)) which hurts other people within those groups. At the same time, both left-wing and right-wing approaches are good; but in becoming too much leaning to one perhaps we inevitably regard the other as bad.

Sometimes religions may have conditions; and the approaches can differ - what is required to not be punished, what is required for prosperity.

Sometimes a reason for sin is given, and that things do happen for good reason; and it feels a harsh circle is created; that in believing in the ideas it validates why suffering exists but a religion with dogma may have conditions attached; in essence if they are refused we may become the analogy of 'bad people' (overtly: the idea of evil) or covertly that we 'miss our mark' to happiness; which can have negative psychological effects to our emotional health, mental health or maybe according to labelling theory; we become it - the irony (in the context of the proponents of the religion trying to prevent it) that because the 'sinful way' is invalidated, the people under it continue. Perhaps they develop disdain for those who deemed it sinful. At the same time, counterintuitively, it may be argued no one is 'bad' or 'good' (and these terms depend on belief/cognitive systems only applying to us), they just are.

What is interesting about life, is that our experiences and cognition about it do seem conditional. There is a degree of control, but try as we might we can't live too long without food, water, the necessities of life, and sometimes bad news. This is why suffering is unavoidable then; that we have limited power. However, time on the other hand is an extension to life - it allows joy, happiness, compassion or calmness to reemerge even after suffering - and this may manifest physically as evolution to grow resistant to long-term suffering even through changes to biology. Another analogy is that time seems to go on even if someone is not conscious (or some may argue: "does it?" though that's another story).

I suppose what is hard however, is embracing evil while trying to embrace comfort/happiness at the same time (however when we are emotionally well, we may do, even if we just think "do what feels good, forget about but don't fight too hard the root core of evil, but listen out/fight for your friends when they are sad")

Embracing evil may seem hard because it would feel by definition, they aren't compatible - but it doesn't mean by embracing bad you become a bad person - for instance, in accepting some things are beyond our ability to love it liberates us, and makes concepts like death, pain easier to accept; because you respect they are part of the world you were born in, even if you don't fully integrate with it.
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« Reply #87 on: September 10, 2019, 03:24:00 pm »
There are "necessarily true things", though, because otherwise nobody in the world would have spent all this time discussing them, as we're both doing now. The question is whether they're clear, and to me religion and spirituality are there to fill the gap that science and technology continue to leave (and arguably how trustworthy those may be to begin with; you might not get any government funding or publicity for all your hard work if it concludes something certain people don't want to hear...). In that sense religion and spirituality are very much the same, but I consider "religion" to be associating yourself firmly with a specific long-standing tradition and "spirituality" to be coming up with your own. Seeing as your own tradition could already be a long-standing one, though, you can see the vagueness in differentiating the two already.

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I'll accept the existence of a shark, but sure won't choose to get near one or let it bite me. Basically what you said.

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« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2019, 07:37:10 pm »
There are "necessarily true things", though, because otherwise nobody in the world would have spent all this time discussing them, as we're both doing now. The question is whether they're clear, and to me religion and spirituality are there to fill the gap that science and technology continue to leave (and arguably how trustworthy those may be to begin with; you might not get any government funding or publicity for all your hard work if it concludes something certain people don't want to hear...). In that sense religion and spirituality are very much the same, but I consider "religion" to be associating yourself firmly with a specific long-standing tradition and "spirituality" to be coming up with your own. Seeing as your own tradition could already be a long-standing one, though, you can see the vagueness in differentiating the two already.

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Embracing evil may seem hard because it would feel by definition, they aren't compatible - but it doesn't mean by embracing bad you become a bad person - for instance, in accepting some things are beyond our ability to love it liberates us, and makes concepts like death, pain easier to accept; because you respect they are part of the world you were born in, even if you don't fully integrate with it.
I'll accept the existence of a shark, but sure won't choose to get near one or let it bite me. Basically what you said.

Definitively true facts:

Yes. I feel actually the analogy is then a little like programming. If a scientist analysed the world, then the paradigm (classical mechanics, quantum models, string theory, etc.) may be accurate, but not definitively correct. Specifically then, "surfing on the Cinnabar Coast brings up the previous Pokémon" from a strict perspective it's more complex than that (it's the grass encounter buffer sometimes overwritten by old man's demonstration) - and philosophically from a different angle, the characters, water, act of Surfing doesn't exist; they are a series of bits, maybe by extension numbers.

One interpretation of the universe is a hologram model. So nothing physical actually strictly exists; they are just numbers/data. The only reason they seem real is that our senses encode them as touch/sensation-light-sound-etc. Some animals too can perceive colours or have senses we do not have. So that raises an interesting argument about whether what they may perceive, from our perspective, exists (and also in terms of space; the "if a tree falls in a distance that we can't hear does it still make a sound?" argument. Since we don't possess the ability to sense them the only means of believing in them is faith. By extension theory of mind is like this too (we don't know exactly how someone cognitively perceives something or feels about something); as well as this popular thought experiment:

"Mary the color scientist knows all the physical facts about color, including every physical fact about the experience of color in other people, from the behavior a particular color is likely to elicit to the specific sequence of neurological firings that register that a color has been seen. However, she has been confined from birth to a room that is black and white, and is only allowed to observe the outside world through a black and white monitor. When she is allowed to leave the room, it must be admitted that she learns something about the color red the first time she sees it — specifically, she learns what it is like to see that color."

Maybe this as well, "Within the philosophy of color, there is a dispute between color realism, the view that colors are physical properties that objects possess, and color fictionalism, a species of error theory viewing colors according to which there are no such physical properties that objects possess".

Could the material world be a matter of relative permutation. That is, indeed everything is numbers. Either an infinite number of positive numbers/infinite number of negative numbers, or a set number of positive numbers and a set number of negative numbers. Equally they combine to make 0, explaining how 'something arose from nothing'. The idea is that it is still nothing; but because space and time may be different interpretations of the same thing, space-time is oscillating under relativity as well - so because we have our own sense of time, the cosmic expansion of the universe is happening at a specific velocity which can be given a + or - sign depending on our interpretation (maybe it will indeed contract the other way only so that the total velocity is balanced back to 0 (hence fulfilling the permutations of all positive and negative numbers) and there are some scary "the big rip" ideas where the fundamental particles tear apart hence everything larger as well); with the time dynamic moving forward right now for us. Perhaps a curious 'escape of the fate of the universe' matter is through death. Because then the perception of time is reinterpreted? Maybe death is time travel. The idea to objectively know the universe may in fact be vain, because by definition true objectivity may be impossible; as relative points in space (and within our own consciousness) restrict that/all conditions are not in true isolation for scientific method, because the location (and/or reference point i.e. your consciousness) arguably cannot always be the same.

Personal religions/spirituality/rituals:

Mm. I think like in human nature, we are born in confusion but we learn things are good. Hence in a small respect, everything is a spirituality. That for instance right here, Pokémon analysis is good it's our culture. This may also link in with Richard Dawkin's analogy of a meme (I don't like how he is criticised for not believing in religion because we believe what we like). There are some fascinating videos on how natural selection works. Maybe we can even 'science' what is likely to feel spiritual to us, but I feel the complexity of the world may make that difficult. Some ideas are innovate but simple things; from a media perspective, maybe a funny original meme. Also relatability (many like Furret Walk as it is cute).

From a truth seeking perspective, faiths may stick with us if they have a cooperative approach in our best interest - so that the world is not all dark and gloomy. It's unfortunate however this can lead to demonisation of other groups or 'sinful'/'unhelpful' beliefs within that belief system. Buddhism have the the "three poisons" as well, but we can find humour in it - like an extremely greedy person who for some reason despite the Buddha's best efforts decides to stay in Samsara and fill their world with all the karmic particles (matter and blockages). So the Buddha happily because he is modest says "OK".
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