HM's

[Papa Doc]

Hmm...It seems like we should invent an HM that has never been invented though. (thinking).....Oh, I know! In Pokemon ranger, there are 2 field abilities, air lift and elevate that get you across gaps and raise you up a floor in a cave. What if we used something like those?

There could also be something like riding a Pokemon in the overworld, instead of using a bike or running shoes, and maybe the Pokemon could jump up those small ledges or something.

Well the riding a pokemon sounds like a really cool
replacement for the bike but I don't we should have
in map flying.

[∀xaj]

I personally think that the reason that you can only fly to the pokemon centers is because your pokemon would know to go there specifically.  I think that you should be able to fly to a specific route, but you would land in a random square in the route.

[Zach the Glitch Buster]

Edit: Also, any main 8 HMs that we're not making up/making up can be HMs.  Any leftover main ones can be like SMs (Super Machines) which are reusable techniques that have Overworld effects that do not need a badge to be able to be used on the Overworld.

SMs:

Flash
Defog
Whirlpool

Yes, yes, yes. Love the idea. In fact, let me edit the list because that would fit very well.

[Bluelatios]

I don't mean flying everywhere. Only in certain spots, since thats how it is in Ranger. Let me explain: With Airlift, you cannot just fly, you use it to jump over gaps (specifically, lava rivers in the Boyleland volcano.). We could use it for a similar thing, or two ledges that are 1-4 squares close, but seperated by a huge drop. Likewise, elevate can only be used in a similar way to rock climb and have a height limit, or for going up holes in the caves. We make it where its things like that, not flying over buildings or trees or anything. In fact, using Airlift in Ranger could only be done with a current of hot air for the Drifloon that you use :p. Just mark the specified spots with an air current.

[Photon-Phoenix]

You could also use it to jump UP the jump down only ledges instead of only down. (You know, the ones that always block things off and make people mad, etc.)

[Papa Doc]

I don't mean flying everywhere. Only in certain spots, since thats how it is in Ranger. Let me explain: With Airlift, you cannot just fly, you use it to jump over gaps (specifically, lava rivers in the Boyleland volcano.). We could use it for a similar thing, or two ledges that are 1-4 squares close, but seperated by a huge drop. Likewise, elevate can only be used in a similar way to rock climb and have a height limit, or for going up holes in the caves. We make it where its things like that, not flying over buildings or trees or anything. In fact, using Airlift in Ranger could only be done with a current of hot air for the Drifloon that you use :p. Just mark the specified spots with an air current.

Oh now I see what you are saying.. idk
maybe it could work it's all up to the admins
and mods.

[Zach the Glitch Buster]

Voting for the HM list closes in a weak.

[Hydrall]

Actually, I had an idea for fly being used for puzzles.
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[Jolteon]

Wow, that seriously looks like a good idea. I hope others do to.

[Photon-Phoenix]

Actually, I had an idea for fly being used for puzzles.
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That was Bluelatios's Airlift idea.

[Hydrall]

Actually, I had an idea for fly being used for puzzles.
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That was Bluelatios's Airlift idea.

I posted this a long time ago, but w/e. It's the same thing, basically, and it (hopefully) works.

[Zach the Glitch Buster]

Because Its been way over a week and there are more yes votes then no votes, the HM list as it stands will be the HM list for the game.

[Boxman]

How about Headbutt as an SM? It could be used like it was in G/S/C.

[Zowayix]

Well, since my idea of not having HMs was rejected, I bring forward the following suggestions in order of preference:

1. HMs can be used simply by having them in your bag, like in Mystery Dungeon.
2. You can keep 2 extra Pokemon in your party which you can only use for HMs and other field moves, but not battling.
3. At the start of the game, the professor gives you 2 Pokemon which have crappy base stats (to prevent them from being useful for anything else) that can between the two of them learn all the HMs.
4. 2 Pokemon that can learn all the HMs between them, or whose evolutions can learn all the HMs between them, are available near to the start of the game.

[Fivex]

Well, since my idea of not having HMs was rejected, I bring forward the following suggestions in order of preference:

1. HMs can be used simply by having them in your bag, like in Mystery Dungeon.
2. You can keep 2 extra Pokemon in your party which you can only use for HMs and other field moves, but not battling.
3. At the start of the game, the professor gives you 2 Pokemon which have crappy base stats (to prevent them from being useful for anything else) that can between the two of them learn all the HMs.
4. 2 Pokemon that can learn all the HMs between them, or whose evolutions can learn all the HMs between them, are available near to the start of the game.

For 4, I believe in D/P it is like that.
Bidoof/starly.