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Rival LOL on international
« on: June 05, 2019, 02:33:13 pm »
While trying to do the rival LOL glitch on Spanish Blue, The glitch usually worked, but I only ever got Missingno or Kingler. What might the difference be (rival name in underflow is in a different spot, the method is different, etc.)?
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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2019, 03:16:54 pm »
It seems to work the same way in the French versions as in the English ones if I'm reading PRAMA's page correctly (although I may not be), so I'd assume that would apply for the Spanish version too. That said, let's get the basics out of the way first: is your rival's name being printed on the screen? What is the fourth character in it? Parts of RAM are laid out differently in different localizations, but that doesn't seem to affect this glitch in particular, unless of course the wrong thing is being printed to the screen before using the 9E item.

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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2019, 05:16:57 am »
After looking up what the underflow items correspond to I found out that I was actually altering the second letter of my rival's name instead of the fourth. Whoops, I think that's what the issue is.
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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2019, 06:46:21 am »
Hello,

Everything related to glitch stuff (items, Pokémon, etc.) is pretty much working the same in international releases, but sometimes in different ways. For example, an unterminated glitch item in English games might or might not be unterminated name in a French game. Likewise, a given glitch Pokémon evolving at lvl 35 in English games might be evolving into something different at lvl 6 in French games, etc.

For this reason, we cannot directly use the Glitchdexes performed for English games. Currently at PRAMA, we are trying to put some effort into dexes, as we started to do for Itemdex, Unowndex and Phonedex. But it takes a lot of time, especially for Glitch Pokémon :)
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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2019, 07:18:30 am »
Would it not work if the rival name is 7 letters instead of 6, and if it would not work, how would I change it to 6 (I assume I would just put a hex 00 glitch item into the slots, but I'm not sure)?
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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2019, 07:35:55 am »
You have many Rival's Name items and they are different. In French games, item hex:9B (R/B) can be used, for example, with a Rival's name of 6 letters, which allows to use the 6th letter of the name (corresponding to the quantity of item 25) or with a 7-letters Rival's name, and in this case we would manipulate the 5th letter (thus, the ID of item 25 and not its quantity).
It also can be used with Rival's names of 4 letters, 5 letters etc. but everytime with the necessity to manipulate a different letter and therefore a different item.

That to say that for every Rival's name glitch item, you can use Rival's Name of 4 to 11 letters, but you have to figure out which letter you would manipulate then.

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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2019, 05:16:14 am »
What determines the level of the Pokemon encountered with Rival LOL?
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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2019, 06:13:26 am »
It works the same way as any Cooltrainer/LOL corruption. The tile above you on the left (blue on the image below) would decide it, whatever it is when you do the glitch.


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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2019, 03:36:08 pm »
I was about to say PRAMA seemed to beat us to that one before seeing it was already on the wiki, but again, only on the Cooltrainer page...GCL could really learn a lot from the way you've organized your site, although I'm not sure what a good way to incorporate aspects of that linear style would be.

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Re: Rival LOL on international
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 01:54:10 pm »
I was about to say PRAMA seemed to beat us to that one before seeing it was already on the wiki, but again, only on the Cooltrainer page...GCL could really learn a lot from the way you've organized your site, although I'm not sure what a good way to incorporate aspects of that linear style would be.

Yeah. I think actually we need an extensive visual CoolTrainer guide that's not too heavy on the eyes.

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